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Massive WiMax Network for India

CmdrTaco posted more than 6 years ago | from the well-bully-for-them-then dept.

Wireless Networking 145

An anonymous reader writes "Engadget reports that the largest Indian telecom company is planning to build a mobile WiMax network covering three states on the subcontinent capable of serving 250 million people. State-owned Bharat Sanchar Nigam Limited is leaning on Soma Networks to build the broadband-speed network in response to government requirement that 20 million broadband lines be in service by 2010." Meanwhile I can't even get cable. Maybe it's time to move to India.

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Tongue in cheek to the submitter (5, Insightful)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 6 years ago | (#22193872)

Maybe it's time to move to India.

      Why not. Your job already has.

Re:Tongue in cheek to the submitter (2, Insightful)

Alsn (911813) | more than 6 years ago | (#22193888)

The first though that popped into my mind was instead the following:

Maybe it's time to start a web based company such as a store or a downloading service in india... ;)

Re:Tongue in cheek to the submitter (0, Troll)

arktemplar (1060050) | more than 6 years ago | (#22193920)

Ok, now despite being Indian I hate it when you this statement is made. Do you WANT to do low end coding or do you want to work on the actualy design of your software/hardware system. The part that has been outsourced to india is this low quality back end donkey work that can essentially be done by any one who can type a hello world program if the code is shown to them(Yes, I am exagerating). Explain to me please if you would really want to be doing that sort of work rather than designing the app, or modifying the algo etc. If not well too bad I am sure you can come here and work for low pay we have it seems a promise of WiMax.

Re:Tongue in cheek to the submitter (1)

the_masked_mallard (792207) | more than 6 years ago | (#22194002)

FYI, companies in India have started outsourcing too, to other companies in India. I know of a lot of places where work is being outsourced or contractors being hired to do low end work. Although a lot of work being done in India is low end, there are places with good work too. BTW, I am also Indian.

Re:Tongue in cheek to the submitter (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22194212)

Ok, now despite being Indian I hate it when you this statement is made. Do you WANT to do low end coding or do you want to work on the actualy design of your software/hardware system. The part that has been outsourced to india is this low quality back end donkey work that can essentially be done by any one who can type a hello world program if the code is shown to them

Meanwhile companies back here in the US cry and sob that there are no ready-made senior-level employees for them to hire for rates far below the level that the self-created scarcity of such labor should command, since they shipped all the entry level positions overseas and can no longer find and promote their own talent from within. Then they demand that the US government do something about the consequences of their own stupidity, and of course as has been demonstrated by every administration for decades, the government is always ready to shit itself on command for the corporations when they're "being taken advantage of" by the people.

Cue trickle down apologists who think the government should always bail out software developers, mortgage firms, S&L ponzi schemes, airlines, and any other rich-enough company while leaving the people "taking advantage of those companies" high and dry.

Lobbyists Lobbyists Lobbyists (2, Insightful)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 6 years ago | (#22195076)

Meanwhile companies back here in the US cry and sob that there are no ready-made senior-level employees for them to hire for rates far below the level that the self-created scarcity of such labor should command, since they shipped all the entry level positions overseas and can no longer find and promote their own talent from within.

It's called "lobbying". The lobbyists paint a picture of poorly-educated Americans so that Congress etc. will let them offshore and get more visa workers who work more hours for less money. It's part of their plan and so far they are getting away with it because there is no coordinated counter-voice. Studies by respected organizations have repeated shown no general "sci/tech shortage". The bottom line: It's all a lie.
   

Re:Tongue in cheek to the submitter (2, Insightful)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 6 years ago | (#22194312)

It was a joke, silly, not a lament. I think India has come a LONG way in the past 20 years and I really hope that it fulfills its destiny as a major economic force in the world in the near future. I personally am anti-US or perhaps more specifically anti-Bush, and snigger every time the US has another finger slip from its tenuous position as the "world leader". But, yet again we have demonstrated that it's very difficult to effectively transmit sarcasm over the internet.

Re:Tongue in cheek to the submitter (1)

mi (197448) | more than 6 years ago | (#22194550)

I personally am anti-US

Be sure to declare this, should you find yourself trying to get into our country. Thanks...

Re:Tongue in cheek to the submitter (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22194860)

Why, given that it would only cause me hassle trying to get home? I'll skip the protests at the border and save them for when they can be seen by my fellow citizens.

Or did you think only non-citizens were anti-US?

Re:Tongue in cheek to the submitter (1)

Ravon Rodriguez (1074038) | more than 6 years ago | (#22195666)

Being anti-US for a US citizen is a big ol' bucket of self hate. Hate Bush. Hate Republicans. Hate the government in general. But hating the US is hating your own heritage.

Re:Tongue in cheek to the submitter (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 6 years ago | (#22196356)

Be sure to declare this, should you find yourself trying to get into our country. Thanks...

      Yes, because "freedom of speech" means something different in your country. No Mr. Paranoid, I won't declare it because I enjoy free travel across borders (it's one of the human rights you know) and don't want to be locked up on "terror" charges for speaking my mind. But don't worry, I won't be strapping any explosives to myself. You guys are doing a great job of destroying your own country as it is. Meanwhile I'll just keep taking your money on Wall Street.

Re:Tongue in cheek to the submitter (3, Insightful)

mi (197448) | more than 6 years ago | (#22196752)

Yes, because "freedom of speech" means something different in your country.

Nope, "freedom of speech" means exactly the same here as it always has. You are free to proclaim your hatred, we are free to deny you entry.

I enjoy free travel across borders (it's one of the human rights you know)

No, it is not, unfortunately.

don't want to be locked up on "terror" charges for speaking my mind.

Has not happened to anyone yet — don't overestimate your importance. Even burning the flag (incredibly offensive and banned in many other countries) is still legal here...

Meanwhile I'll just keep taking your money on Wall Street.

You mean, you'll continue to participate in our markets? Great — we welcome all kind...

Re:Tongue in cheek to the submitter (3, Interesting)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 6 years ago | (#22195186)

I think India has come a LONG way in the past 20 years and I really hope that it fulfills its destiny as a major economic force in the world in the near future.

Me too. We need more strong democracies.

I personally am anti-US or perhaps more specifically anti-Bush

Keep in mind that half the US population can't stand Bush either. He has tricked the other half using simplistic logic and religious games. I'm sure India will have its share of nightmare politicians. Democracy sometimes burps loudly.

and snigger every time the US has another finger slip from its tenuous position as the "world leader".

Just be careful what you wish for. The US's foreign policy is dominated more by incompetence than an attempt at "taking over the world". However, a different super-power may want more of the second.

But a strong India as a counter-weight to the US would be a nice thing. Who knows, if wages go up in India, then perhaps you will start outsourcing to us. Or, at least stuff will be more balanced out. It will be an interesting fusion of cultures.
         

Re:Tongue in cheek to the submitter (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 6 years ago | (#22194438)

Who would want a program written by low end coders? It would be like having a couch made out of shoddy materials, except that you could never get rid of it. If you are using a badly designed program and start using it for your day-to-day needs then that application contains all your data, and is often essential to how you do business. It's like like a couch where you can just throw it away, get a new one, and continue on as if the other one existed. Thinking you can do software with "Hello World" programmers is just asking for trouble. Even if you get them to do it, and then hand it off to a qualified team for maintenance, it's going to be a nightmare to maintain.

Re:Tongue in cheek to the submitter (1)

Lally Singh (3427) | more than 6 years ago | (#22194612)

Lots of internal business apps are written this way. Either by internal teams or consultants. The good programmers work for mainstream software vendors, and the rest (e.g. the lower 80% of the graduating CS majors, and everyone else who took a programming course in college) take these gigs.

Frankly, it comes down to not being able to get the good programmers to do it. They're either superpriced consultants or utterly unavailable as employees of software vendors that aren't going to write the code you want.

Re:Tongue in cheek to the submitter (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22197456)

Who would want a program written by low end coders?

Who do you think wrote MS piece-of-junk windows which runs on 95% of the world's pcs? There goes the All-American (read "White Anglo Christian Male") superiority propaganda. And I wonder why people blame Nazi's for their Aryanism!!

Re:Tongue in cheek to the submitter (1)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 6 years ago | (#22194980)

Do you WANT to do low end coding or do you want to work on the actualy design of your software/hardware system. The part that has been outsourced to india is this low quality back end donkey work that can essentially be done by any one who can type a hello world program if the code is shown to them

I don't think it is necessarily "low end", often its just the side of things that are less customer-facing. It may be some intricate algorithm that is already fairly-well described in the requirements, but requires a lot of heads-down work. It's the end of pure tech here. We are gradually forced to become "technical liaisons" between those who do heads-down coding overseas/visas and the customer/client. Perhaps liaison work is a good thing, perhaps not. But, our choices are shrinking regardless.
           

Re:Tongue in cheek to the submitter (5, Interesting)

stonewolf (234392) | more than 6 years ago | (#22195120)

Well, I was one of those people doing high level design working in the R&D department of my company. I did a lot of research and design and a fair about of coding for the products we were developing.

One day I came in and found out that all the US employees of the company were being laid off. The owners of the company had found a software company in India that they could just buy for nothing and moved *all* the work, including R&D, to India. I guess that is at least one data point against the idea that only the grunt work has moved to India.

The first year I was unemployed I was able get a few interviews and some contract working running doing testing and one gig helping a company figure out how incompetent the US development staff was. (There are a lot of people all over the world who can write a program but are not qualified to design so much as a turd.)

The second year there were fewer contract jobs and interviews.

The third year I retrained as a teacher. After the third year the *only* company that has shown any interest in hiring me was an Indian company that was desperate enough for experienced people to offer to pay my relocation to India. After my kids are out of college my wife and I are seriously considering moving to India or China. I know a couple of people in my situation who are now living like kings pulling down what would be considered good US salaries, being paid in Euros, living in India and China.

Now I make a good wage (for an Indian) teaching people in the US what "click and drag" means. Believe it or not, but a *huge* portion of the people graduating from high school in the US have never used a PC and are scared shitless of having to use one. An even bigger portion of people over thirty do not know what "click and drag" means.

So, lets cut the crap about the quality of the jobs going to India. The only reason Indians aren't getting those jobs is that so many of them do not have the experience to do them. In India those jobs are being filled by Americans and Europeans with decades of experience. Not to mention the huge number of Indians and Chinese who went to school in the US and have worked here for decades who are now going back to start, run, or do high level work, in India and China.

Stonewolf

Re:Tongue in cheek to the submitter (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22193926)

Vote one Ron Paul, because he is a racist, anti-abortion fucknut! Yay for idiots in control of nuclear weapons!

Oh, and like any of them are going to make your life better.

Wake me when an anti-capitalist gets elected.

Wimax or infrastructure (0, Troll)

192939495969798999 (58312) | more than 6 years ago | (#22194048)

I dunno, if someone said I had to choose between wimax and say, toilet paper, I'm going with toilet paper. (My sister recently went to India, and to her surprise, in most of India there is no toilet paper.)

Re:Wimax or infrastructure (1)

freedom_india (780002) | more than 6 years ago | (#22194086)

Where did she go? To remote no-road villages??? If she had been to cities like Bangalore, Delhi, Poona, Bombay, Madras, Jaipur, Nagpur, Calcutta, and even smaller towns like Solapur, Erode, Cochin, etc., she can buy toilet papers of 4 different brands in packets of one or four.
She should visit a shop for that. They don't deliver toilet paper home.
How i say this?
By experience: I had to travel between half the cities mentioned above, and i could buy it.

Re:Wimax or infrastructure (1)

AndGodSed (968378) | more than 6 years ago | (#22194282)

Well THAT'S certainly crappy...

Re:Wimax or infrastructure (4, Insightful)

superash (1045796) | more than 6 years ago | (#22194668)

This is exactly the kind of bullshit that I cannot take. Your sister comes to India and expects everything here to be like USA(going by your contact info at your homepage)? Would you have taken the same kind of comment from me if I was in the US and was asking for something that we Indians did over here? You would've have said -" If you want that then stay the fuck in your country". So, you get my point.

Re:Wimax or infrastructure (0, Redundant)

__walk_the_talk (1227504) | more than 6 years ago | (#22194888)

I agree with you.I hope the OP's was ignorant,and not biased.Nastiness against indians has been on the rise on slashdot.This can only get worse in the coming years as we increase in stature in tech and manufacturing. Time for a SLASHDOT.IN?? btw i'm indian too.

Re:Wimax or infrastructure (1)

stormguard2099 (1177733) | more than 6 years ago | (#22195264)

If your general prowess with humor is a good representation of most Indians then I shudder at the thought of the memes that would arise from slashdot.IN

Re:Wimax or infrastructure (1)

neomunk (913773) | more than 6 years ago | (#22195392)

All your Madirs are belong to us? :-D

Re:Wimax or infrastructure (1)

neomunk (913773) | more than 6 years ago | (#22195404)

Awww hell, messed that up, try again. ...
all your madir are belong to us ...
Stupid rules of grammar flirting through my neurons, making me to things its way...

Re:Wimax or infrastructure (1)

__walk_the_talk (1227504) | more than 6 years ago | (#22195834)

Maybe i'm being dense,but there's a fine line between humor and invective

The raison d'etre for slashdot.in is sound.Most comments about India, on slashdot.org, are informative.But a significant number of comments suffer from an acute ignorance of indian ground realities on the part of the posters.This is to be expected.

Therefore, slashdot.in could constructively complement the main site.It could provide a wider,more informed coverage of stories of interest to the growing community of indian technology professionals,sans the regular snide comments on outsourcing.

Incidentally,the address,http://www.slashdot.in/ [slashdot.in] is currently registered with an Indian ISP.

Re:Wimax or infrastructure (1)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 6 years ago | (#22196432)

Therefore, slashdot.in could constructively complement the main site.It could provide a wider,more informed coverage of stories of interest to the growing community of indian technology professionals,sans the regular snide comments on outsourcing.
Well, go ahead and segregate yourselves. Maybe that works in India. That's not the american way. We are loud, ugly and mean. But we say what we are thinking in public - putting all our cards on the table, free-speech and the whole bit, and that ultimately leads to working things out. That's the way the melting pot works.

Going off to an indian-only slashdot enclave can let you pretend that people aren't bigots, but it does nothing to improve the situation. You'll have your own groups of troublemakers there too, just making trouble over other issues, and there will be less people to participate in the international dialog going on here.

Re:Wimax or infrastructure (0, Flamebait)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 6 years ago | (#22195208)

"If you want that then stay the fuck in your country".
You didn't just tell someone that if they want toilet paper then they need to stay the fuck out of India, did you? Because that's sure what it looks like to me.

Would you have taken the same kind of comment from me if I was in the US and was asking for something that we Indians did over here?
Yeah, I would. You want some ghee, garam masala, a tongue scraper? I'd send you to the local Indian store. I sure wouldn't tell you to go back to India, nor would anyone else with an ounce of common sense.

Re:Wimax or infrastructure (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22196172)

You didn't just tell someone that if they want toilet paper then they need to stay the fuck out of India, did you? Because that's sure what it looks like to me.

I'm an European and, just like the Indians I'm not using toilet paper either. I'm washing my ass with soap & water each time after defecating.

What's your point ? You can use a newspaper instead of toilet paper, just like your grandparents were doing. If in India, you can probably even use an English-language newspaper, that will make you feel more homey.

Re:Wimax or infrastructure (1)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 6 years ago | (#22196378)

What's your point ?
My point is that even if toilet paper isn't commonly provided in normal bathrooms in India, you can just buy some at a store that caters to ex-pats. Just like Indians in the USA can buy stuff that's not commonly available too.

You don't have to get the fuck out of the country and framing the discussion in those terms is the real flamebait, not my pointing it out.

Re:Wimax or infrastructure (2, Insightful)

jalfreize (173125) | more than 6 years ago | (#22195396)

Recently, I came to the US as a grad student, and was shocked that the US has no running water in their toilets.
They actually use pieces of paper!!!
Thats soo lame, not to mention yucky!!! ughhh...

Re:Tongue in cheek to the submitter (1)

canuck57 (662392) | more than 6 years ago | (#22194576)

Maybe it's time to move to India.

Why not. Your job already has.

I was thinking Brazil [american.edu] myself. Nice weather and good place to retire. Probably more stable and less people per square km. Less strife and unrest.

And with how many people there are in India, WiMax will be maxed out to a point it isn't very reliable or usable, much like many support centers I have had to recently use.

Re:Tongue in cheek to the submitter (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22194750)

Not to mention a lot of the facts stated in that article for the lack of presence of Brazilian presence in the US market are completely bullshit. It's true that most brazilians don't speak english, but it's false that most brazilians _on a corporate environment_ don't speak english - while I can't say that the opposite is true, there's enough workforce available that can handle the "interface" with the US market. Sure, the article is about 4 years old, but even back then it wasn't much worse than it is today.

I'm sure there may be other factual errors, but I lost interest when I read "The two primary languages in Brazil are Spanish and Portuguese" - typical US ignorance. There's only one primary language on Brazil: Portuguese. The ratio of people who speak Spanish on Brazil is not much bigger than those who speak english, and it only is so because of immigrants of neighbouring countries.

The only thing that holds back Brazil's presence on the US market is US long-standing protectionism and the notion that all brazilians are stupid.

Maybe it's time to move to India. (1)

falconwolf (725481) | more than 6 years ago | (#22195694)

I was thinking Brazil [american.edu] myself.

I was thinking of Brazil myself. I'd like to go there for a year as part of a study abroad program.

Falcon

Re:Tongue in cheek to the submitter (1)

SimplyFearless (1149241) | more than 6 years ago | (#22194586)

India doesn't allow foreigners to come in and work, or take jobs away from it's citizens, even if those foreigners are cheaper, better trained, better skilled, more capable and more competent in general. Ha.

Re:Tongue in cheek to the submitter (1)

superash (1045796) | more than 6 years ago | (#22194766)

Foreigners will never get a chance because there is always some indian who will work for less.

Re:Tongue in cheek to the submitter (3, Insightful)

PaneerParantha (713034) | more than 6 years ago | (#22194878)

That's false.

And has been shown to be so many times over here.

1. The latest example of a foreigner working in India is Mr. Gary Kirsten (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/southafrica/content/player/45813.html), the Indian cricket coach. The two coaches before him were Australian and New Zealander respectively.

2. Australian cricketers routinely accept advertising contracts (and in one case a movie role) in India.

3. There are backpackers from Europe working in call-centers.

Your statement is not grounded in facts at all.

Re:Tongue in cheek to the submitter (1)

oook_in (703298) | more than 6 years ago | (#22195028)

India doesn't allow foreigners to come in and work
Untrue. [travisaoutsourcing.com]

Re:Tongue in cheek to the submitter (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22195662)

WiMax is skynet infrastructure. Don't use it if you want to keep ur fr33d0m.

Like mobile phones (5, Insightful)

apathy maybe (922212) | more than 6 years ago | (#22193880)

There is a good reason for under-developed countries like India not to invest in cabling. It is the same reason why such countries have so many mobile phones as compared to landlines.

Mobile phone towers are a lot cheaper to put up then running cables everywhere, they are a lot easier to upgrade, etc. (One reason why Japan and (West) Germany were able to do so well economically after WW2 was all the new equipment, all the old stuff having been bombed. Yes the money helped, but France got that money too...)

Anyway, good oh.

Re:Like mobile phones (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22194292)

There are also VERY good reasons for companies in the US to deploy WiMAX ... and we ARE.
Check out www.xohm.com - this service will be launching much sooner than most people realize. The buildout is in it's advanced stages and the final preparation to get "product on the shelves" is underway.

Re:Like mobile phones (5, Insightful)

freedom_india (780002) | more than 6 years ago | (#22194354)

Unfortunately mobile towers have the least redundancy in disaster times.
All mobile towers have a 99% utilisation in india.
It means if all the mobile users dial at the same time, you get a network busy tone. Heck i get a network busy tone about 30% of the time.
During a storm the mobile network is the first to fail.

Meanwhile the landline is the strongest network india has.
If the power goes off, the generators in the exchanges run it for 24 hours, and even if they fail, the batteries keep them for another 14 hours.
The generators are topped off with fuel almost weekly.

The mobile towers run on batteries for 7 hours max. After that they start dropping off one by one.

Re:Like mobile phones (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 6 years ago | (#22194470)

Also, there is only so much bandwidth available in the electromagnetic spectrum. Once you fill the spectrum, it's very hard to find more capacity. With cabling, you can always add a little bit more, or use fibre optics to carry more data over the same size cable. Sure there's still limits, but cabled communications can provide much more bandwidth than wireless ever will. Wireless is the cheap way out that works now, but doesn't account for future growth. It's already becoming a problem with too many wireless routers in my building, and there's a very low percentage of people with wireless routers. I think it would be quite bad if everyone in the building had a wireless router.

Re:Like mobile phones (1)

gnuman99 (746007) | more than 6 years ago | (#22195234)

Spectrum utilization is very, very important especially for large deployments. 250M => crazzy slow speed.

Anyway, wireless is least reliable, least secure method of deployment. It is also cheapest to deploy in the near term. In the long term, fiber is cheaper and by far more reliable and expandable.

WiMax may be a good secondary, low bandwidth connection to fiber/DSL. It is not a reliable primary connection though.

Re:Like mobile phones (1)

RealGrouchy (943109) | more than 6 years ago | (#22195348)

It means if all the mobile users dial at the same time, you get a network busy tone.
A side point, but if everybody is dialing out, then there is nobody with an idle line for any of these people to try to call.

I know, not what you meant...

- RG>

Re:Like mobile phones (1)

audi100quattro (869429) | more than 6 years ago | (#22194426)

I'm not sure which states this network is going to cover, but India is a pretty dense country. Wired would be more cost effective for the major cities and states. BSNL is known for having the best rural coverage so maybe it won't skimp on additional/redundant wireless and backhaul bandwidth. Still, covering 250 million people with 1.5Mbit is Sprint's goal too, and I doubt BSNL is going to spend the billions Sprint has. Not to mention Sprint's backbone is probably 10x as better as BSNL's as far as peak capacity goes.

This is a government mandate and wireless is the easiest way to get there as long as too many people don't use it at the same time. A wired network for the major cities could have covered just as many people and offered 10x the aggregate bandwidth for around the same cost for any one city covering 1/10 of the population.

Re:Like mobile phones (2, Informative)

__walk_the_talk (1227504) | more than 6 years ago | (#22195030)

Your comment seems to imply that cabling is better than wireless.While this is certainly true for optic fibres,wireless will beat conventional copper twisted pair cabling hands down in many cases.The cost/capacity ratio is simply too skewed in favour of wireless,in India.And this has nothing to do with India being "under-developed".This is simple engineering. Anyway,India has a significant investment in Optic Fiber channels.There are companies both in public and private sectors,that specialize in making optic links,as well as the associated electronics. Our telephone network sucked big time around the beginning of the 1980's,with poor connectivity and very very bad voice quality.That was the time when optic fibre came into the market in a big way.The expanding indian landline sector embraced it ,and as a result we have surplus capacity on all our optic links today. The bigger issue in India,so far as cabling goes,is the digging up of roads and getting government permissions.It is such a big hassle ,that most private operators have laid down many times(typically 10-15) the capacity they need. The base stations are connected by fibre optic rings.Wireless is only for the "last mile" link.That being the case,concerns expressed about spectrum exhaustion seem to be misplaced.You have to remember that there are no tall structures in Indian villages.A strategically located base station has a much larger footprint in such conditions.Propogation is essentially free space(until it hits the tree canopies), with the associated low attentuation and superior quality for much lower investment.

Re:Like mobile phones (1)

andy1307 (656570) | more than 6 years ago | (#22195116)

This is more like Wireless in Local Loop [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Like mobile phones (1)

__walk_the_talk (1227504) | more than 6 years ago | (#22195226)

Exactly.As they say,you hit the nail on .... This is how reliance manages to give decent voice quality while still having fairly good coverage in rural areas.The government is also actively promoting it for the same reasons. Incidentally,this idea was pioneered ,in part,at IIT in the late 1990's,when the wireless sector was still in its infacy in India.It is applicable in any part of the world where legacy networks are nascent or non-existent.But it is particularly desirable in India,especially in semi-urban and rural India.

Try making a well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22193904)

They should try making a clean water well capable of serving 250 million people.

Re:Try making a well (0)

calebt3 (1098475) | more than 6 years ago | (#22193954)

Some things (like Internet) are more important than clean water.
(-:

Re:Try making a well (1)

AndGodSed (968378) | more than 6 years ago | (#22194304)

I hope you are joking... or you have clearly never been stuck without water...

Re:Try making a well (1)

calebt3 (1098475) | more than 6 years ago | (#22194440)

I was joking.

Re:Try making a well (1)

AndGodSed (968378) | more than 6 years ago | (#22194730)

I thought as much!

Re:Try making a well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22195656)

are you really such a fucking DOUCHEBAG that you have to ask this?

No Internet either (1)

mi (197448) | more than 6 years ago | (#22194624)

Some things (like Internet) are more important than clean water.
There is no Internet either. Even the stated goal:

response to government requirement that 20 million broadband lines be in service by 2010." Meanwhile I can't even get cable. Maybe it's time to move to India.

means far lower broadband penetration, than in the US (itself hardly a champion in this area). India has well over a billion people — more than three times America's population. Yet even its goal for 2 years from now is much lower, than what US had two years ago — even in absolute terms. Heck, India is not even on the chart [websiteoptimization.com] !

Everybody, who wants to move out of my country, please, do. Millions of appreciating would-be immigrants are eager to replace you. God bless their souls.

Meanwhile... (4, Funny)

dcollins (135727) | more than 6 years ago | (#22194016)

"Meanwhile I can't even get cable. Maybe it's time to move to India."

Dude, the free market solves all problems. Didn't you get the memo?

Re:Meanwhile... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22194216)

XOHM (www.xohm.com) is coming *very* soon and will offer WiMAX across the US. Our WiMAX buildout will be complete long before India's is. Many parts of the network are already operational and many active (non-commercial) users are on the network today. Performance is also VERY good, better than advertised.

Re:Meanwhile... (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 6 years ago | (#22194386)

XOHM will make your city one big hot spot (COVERAGE NOT AVAILABLE EVERYWHERE).

      So I can get access everywhere except where I can't. Yawn. Call me when you have more than a couple silly videos to offer.

Re:Meanwhile... (1)

c6gunner (950153) | more than 6 years ago | (#22194558)

So I can get access everywhere except where I can't. Yawn. Call me when you have more than a couple silly videos to offer.
What, you think the Indian service will offer connectivity across 100% of the nation? Are you on crack?

Re:Meanwhile... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22195604)

Your sig (at the time of writing):

I don't respond to Anonymous Cowards. And, no, I am NOT an American.
You suck and your momma is fat. You cannot respond MWUAHAHAHAHAHA!

Re:Meanwhile... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22194242)

No, I didn't get the memo. I'm on dialup - can't check my email more than twice a day without my flatmate yelling about tying up the phone.

What free market? (1)

slysithesuperspy (919764) | more than 6 years ago | (#22194280)

And where, pray tell, in your fairy tail world is a free market?

Not the first one though (2, Interesting)

NakNomik (21692) | more than 6 years ago | (#22194294)

The largest private company in India (Reliance) has soft-launched [convergence.in] WiMax for consumers in some parts of Bangalore... and a quick search on Google reveals users are not very happy [wordpress.com] . SIFY, Aircel and VSNL already offer WiMax for corporate customers in some parts of the country..
More here [wimax.com]

Re:Not the first one though (1)

AndGodSed (968378) | more than 6 years ago | (#22194336)

The best wireless we get in RSA is 1.8mbps on 3g with a 1gb cap, and the best wired sevice is 4mbps adsl with a 4gb cap.

sucks... no wimax...

Re:Not the first one though (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22194414)

That's because ... like everything else in India, they've done a crappy job building it.

Sorry to sound biased against the "fine folk" of India - but WiMAX is an excellent product when built properly. Like everything else (including software) it is possible to build something well ... or cheaply.

Users of softlaunch WiMAX is the US are reporting very good results.

Re:Not the first one though (1)

Eternauta3k (680157) | more than 6 years ago | (#22195704)

I haven't read any WIMAX reviews, but usually all I hear about broadband providers, even in the US, are complaints.

Re:Meanwhile... (1)

Bluesman (104513) | more than 6 years ago | (#22194424)

"Meanwhile, nobody will subsidize the cable service that I want so the costs are mostly hidden from me and borne by others who wouldn't otherwise pay for it."

There, fixed that so it will make more sense to you.

Re:Meanwhile... (1)

bigpicture (939772) | more than 6 years ago | (#22194652)

Exactly! I see this argument all the time, where the interests of the John Q Citizen is presumed to be served by the free market. Like the interests of the large Corporations and the individual were presumed to be one and the same by the elected government. So when it comes to government loyalties, is it where the votes come from, or where the money comes from? The conflict of interests broken government contention! (I am presuming that your post was sarcastic here.)

Re:Meanwhile... (1)

falconwolf (725481) | more than 6 years ago | (#22195832)

"Meanwhile I can't even get cable. Maybe it's time to move to India."

Dude, the free market solves all problems. Didn't you get the memo?

What free market? There isn't one.

Falcon

Re:Meanwhile... (1)

Daimanta (1140543) | more than 6 years ago | (#22196826)

True, if there was a free market you'd be able to buy a sarcasm detector ;)

Maybe it's just the cold winter talking (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22194052)

Meanwhile I can't even get cable. Maybe it's time to move to India.


Me neither. Can you get cell service? None here, and I'm within 50 miles of Boston. And I bet my Social Security checks (when they start arriving next decade) will go farther in India than in the USofA.

OTOH, is there any proof WiMax will scale up for that many users?

Re:Maybe it's just the cold winter talking (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22194164)

Dude.. they wipe their ass with their hands and they don't have steak.

    Not my idea of retirement...

Can the promise be kept? (1)

deepanjan_nag (596448) | more than 6 years ago | (#22194132)

I pay Rs1000 ($25) per month for 256kbps and unlimited downloads in Bangalore. While this doesn't qualify for broadband speeds by western standards, I'm one of the luckier ones to have a connection in the first place.

Many of my acquantances have trouble getting a connection in Bangalore - India's IT capital. One friend got a connection exactly a year after applying for it. The ISP? Bharat Sanchar Nigam Limited, of course!

While over-promising and under-delivering is a way of life in India, let's hope at least a fraction of the WiMAX promise is kept.

Which three states? (1)

140Mandak262Jamuna (970587) | more than 6 years ago | (#22194154)

Tamilnadu, Karnataka and Andhrapradesh? That would make sense. Infact Chennai-Bangalore-Hyderabad triangle alone would be worth it.

But given the hype and meddling by politicians, they might be pouring money in Godforsaken places like the Bihar-Madhya Pradesh-Rajasthan corridor.

Re:Which three states? (4, Informative)

oook_in (703298) | more than 6 years ago | (#22194420)

Looks like it's Maharashtra, Gujarat and Andhra Pradesh. This article [thehindubusinessline.com] also mentions that the roll out is supposed to happen by 2010. The weird thing is that the city of Mumbai in Maharashtra is serviced by another telecom company MTNL and not BSNL. I wonder if it will be covered by this WiMax network.

Re:Which three states? (1)

grepya (67436) | more than 6 years ago | (#22194512)

of course the usual south vs north India ugliness raises it's head on slashdot too. I see and hear a lot of this when in India.

But.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22194166)

BTW, BSNL is "state-owned". So much for the free-market initiative.

Re:But.... (1)

ScorpFromHell (837952) | more than 6 years ago | (#22194532)

May be you are not aware of the realities out here. If it were only upto the free market, they would never go to the rural India, where India resides but not the money. There is no restriction on the free market to not implement WiMax but they aren't going to the rural areas even though they have started providing it in Bangalore & other urban areas.

BSNL service. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22194346)

I have family in a relatively small city in India under the BSNL coverage. When I went there for summer vacation, I brought an ADSL modem for my brother-in-law in Hyderabad, but he could not get.

Then at the smaller city, I saw they advertised for ADSL coming soon, so I went to inquire about it. They told me that they currently had zero customers, because they did not have any ADSL modems. When I told them we had one, they came the next day and installed - despite the latency to rest of the world, we can almost always pull the 2Mbit/s downstream with BT. However, if I didn't have any modem, I'd have to wait atleast 3 months until they had supplied major cities (which is probably never).

If they're going to do WiMAX, then I hope they pre-order a lot of modems :-)

3G might be winning out rather than WiMax in India (3, Interesting)

ScorpFromHell (837952) | more than 6 years ago | (#22194358)

Computer penetration is not as good as mobiles in India. Also a 3g mobile is far cheaper (~ $200) than a computer (~ $300).

The common man is more comfortable with using a mobile than a computer.

If enough mobile apps are made available for most of the stuff that the common man requires it might be possible that 3g phones win over the wimax connected phones.

In addition to the apps like feed readers, gmail, google maps, browsers, there need to be applications that can enable the common man to bank, pay bills, shop, get weather updates (atleast warnings), get various examination results (believe it or not, this is a big business for small time entrepreneurs in the rural districts), make bookings in trains, buses, etc.

Moving to India (temporarily) (1)

grepya (67436) | more than 6 years ago | (#22194478)

Seriously though, it's not a bad idea for a young person starting his/her career in the western world to spend some time in India right about now. It will be fun (for some values of "fun") and a great asset on your resume.

Re:Moving to India (temporarily) (1)

Adeptus_Luminati (634274) | more than 6 years ago | (#22194814)

Yeah, but get ready for a *massive* culture shock. When you arrive there, it's like you landed on a different planet or went back in time 100 years in the urban cities and 200-300 years in the villages.

So... as they say here on slashdot: Goodluckwiththat!

Re:Moving to India (temporarily) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22195132)

On what basis do you make this comment?

Re:Moving to India (temporarily) (1)

__walk_the_talk (1227504) | more than 6 years ago | (#22195144)

As an indian,i'd really like to know what exactly do you mean by a "*massive* culture shock"

Re:Moving to India (temporarily) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22195534)

As another Indian, I tell you our culture is way different from their culture. Within India it varies so much that for a person having average amount of workload it is near impossible to taste all the culture in India in his entire lifetime.

Re:Moving to India (temporarily) (1)

__walk_the_talk (1227504) | more than 6 years ago | (#22195734)

I completely agree. But why does a change in culture need to be a "shock"?

Which still does'nt explain why our cities are "100 years behind".100 years ago there were no telephones, or electricity ,in european and american cities.

Sure,our roads are crowded and the infrastructure is bad.But can you seriously expect anything else when our population density is so many times theirs?

Re:Moving to India (temporarily) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22196090)

"100 years behind" means that we are not up to them in technology and the living conditions. You took the literal meaning of the term. We are catching fast. We still have a long way to go.

Move to India :O (1)

bingo_cannon (779085) | more than 6 years ago | (#22194486)

Maybe it's time to move to India. Don't you dare take your jobs back!

I for one... (1)

Cheezymadman (1083175) | more than 6 years ago | (#22194496)

...welcome our cow-worshipping overlords.

India had wireless long ago ! (4, Funny)

kicks-ass (977232) | more than 6 years ago | (#22194606)

The Russians dug 1000 ft in the ground and found copper wire, They declared Russians had electricity 1000 years back US dug and found Optical fibre, and said US had telepphone 2000 years back Indians dug, found nothing, Then said we had wireless communication technology 5000 years back

Re:India had wireless long ago ! (0, Offtopic)

Cosmic AC (1094985) | more than 6 years ago | (#22196526)

It is much easier to understand you when you use punctuation particularly periods so please use them if you do that you will be more likely to be modded up because people will have understood your joke thank you

Broadband (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22194670)

In India even speeds of 256Kbps are classified as "broadband" [trai.gov.in] . So don't start packing those bags yet.

Netsukuku (1)

ClintJCL (264898) | more than 6 years ago | (#22195194)

Sounds ideal for a large Netsukuku (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsukuku [wikipedia.org] ) deployment to me. P2p heaven! Power to the people.

whine over there instead of here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22195200)

move to india

Move to India? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#22196096)

While I applaud India for many things, and in fact, I like India, as someone who lived there for 3 years - i can tell you from personal experience that you don't wanna move there.

While I don't think it's a bad thing... (1)

doyoulikeworms (1094003) | more than 6 years ago | (#22196568)

Providing broadband for millions of people in a country where tens (hundreds?) of millions more are in deep poverty is a modern-day version of "trickle down" economics.
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