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Motorola Introduces Android Phones, Social Software

kdawson posted more than 4 years ago | from the all-thumbs dept.

Cellphones 195

ruphus13 was among the readers sending word of Motorola's Android handsets yesterday, along with a "socially aware" application layer called MotoBlur. The Motorola Cliq is expected in a few weeks. T-Mobile is Motorola's carrier partner in the US. A second Android phone will be marketed in other countries under the name Dext. Reuters called the market's reaction to Motorola's announcement "muted." "Dr. Sanjay K. Jha, Co-CEO of Motorola and CEO of the company's Mobile Devices division, unveiled Motorola's Android platform play. ... Key to both of the phones, and key to Motorola's overall Android strategy, is a new interface and application layer called MotoBlur. It's focused on 'a single stream' for social networking features, software updates, messages, syncing, e-mails, videos, photos... The Cliq phone has a 5-megapixel camera, slide-out keyboard, 24 frame-per-second video capabilities, GPS, a headphone jack, an advanced browser from Google, integrated Exchange service, and Google roaming services including Google voice search, access to maps, Google calendar, and more. It also provides one-click access to Android Market and the thousands of Android applications there."

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195 comments

Suck on that neckbeards! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29390395)

Hey neckbeards how does it feel knowing that your shitty Loonix OS has less market share after 18 years than Win7 has [hitslink.com] and it's not even released for retail sale yet!

Win7 - 1.18%
Loonix - .94%
Win2k - .93%

Even more sad is that Loonix can barely beat Win2k in market share and it's 9 years old at this point and obsolete!

Re:Suck on that neckbeards! (1)

Neil Hodges (960909) | more than 4 years ago | (#29390425)

Troll or not, Windows 2000 is not much more obsolete than Windows XP in my opinion.

Re:Suck on that neckbeards! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29390489)

They have a very good mechanism to protect themselves, from these kinds of posts, on the other land the loontards troll every tech site out here they can find.

Re:Suck on that neckbeards! (0, Troll)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 4 years ago | (#29390597)

Well, according to the same site, Firefox is almost 23%.

But in truth, all it reveals is a sadly biased study, one which doesn't reveal its sources -- does it count unpaid deployments? I doubt it. And if you're trying to measure the marketshare of a free operating system by counting the number of people paying for it...

I mean, yes, he was modded troll, but chances are, someone is taking him seriously. So, here's some facts [linuxtoday.com] .

Re:Suck on that neckbeards! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29390643)

But in truth, all it reveals is a sadly biased study, one which doesn't reveal its sources

And yet in the true fosstard hypocritical manner, I've seen that same site posted many times to point out how IE's market share is declining. I guess one can't really expect you neckbeards to be consistent though. If the source says anything negative against the Loonix ideology it must be biased and wrong, but when the same site shows something negative about the market share of a Microsoft product it is unquestionably posted everywhere to show how Micro$haft is dying!

Re:Suck on that neckbeards! (2, Insightful)

Desler (1608317) | more than 4 years ago | (#29390685)

But in truth, all it reveals is a sadly biased study, one which doesn't reveal its sources

So, here's some facts [linuxtoday.com].

LOL. It's funny how you claim that the Net Applications site is wrong because it's a "biased study, one which doesn't reveal its sources" and yet you post a link to a linuxtoday article that just has a bunch of people posting their random speculation with no sources and yet that's where you get "facts".

Re:Suck on that neckbeards! (1)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 4 years ago | (#29390929)

I've seen that same site posted many times to point out how IE's market share is declining.

And yet, it's the same site you used. How's that hypocritical?

If the source says anything negative against the Loonix ideology it must be biased and wrong, but when the same site shows something negative about the market share of a Microsoft product it is unquestionably posted everywhere to show how Micro$haft is dying!

The point wasn't that it was unquestionable -- though I think you'll find similar results elsewhere.

The point is that even if it were true, it doesn't bother me a lot -- Firefox is proof that we're doing ok, and if IE dies, I can write web services without thinking about Windows anymore. And since it's clearly not true, the whole argument implodes anyway.

Re:Suck on that neckbeards! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29390661)

There are lot's of people taking him seriously, a fuckton of people if I may say so. See http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/ [blogspot.com] thats' where he got that.

LMAO (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29392109)

Well of couse FUCKTON people will take a tonka OS seriously. Hell fuckton people took the original poster serious so it sort of blows that concept out of the water...

Posting anonymous because retard trolls don't deserve the respect a real nick implies...

Re:Suck on that neckbeards! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29390713)

sending people to a linux site for linux marketing is no way to convince people without bias.

Find a third party willing to speak up for it and we will listen.

Re:Suck on that neckbeards! (1)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 4 years ago | (#29390969)

Find a third party willing to speak up for it and we will listen.

The site I linked to did cite sources, including zdnet. Unbiased enough?

The larger problem here is that there are some things which it's pretty much impossible to be both informed and unbiased about. For example, it's pretty hard to be aware of the situation of AIDS in Africa without being either a complete religious moron, or being appalled at the Pope telling people that condoms are not the answer. There really isn't a middle ground there.

However, we can't even begin to control for bias without at least citing sources.

Re:Suck on that neckbeards! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29391277)

To be honest condoms are not the answer, at least in Africa. Condoms work in developed countries because people are willing to use condoms. In Africa most just don't care. Hell some of them don't know the relationship beetwen sex and babies (I'm not joking, for some tribes women get pregnant because of a spirit or some shit like that)

Ah btw, just pondering all the results from various sources Win7 beats Linux by a fairly consistent margin.

Re:Suck on that neckbeards! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29391761)

The site I linked to did cite sources, including zdnet. Unbiased enough?

No LinuxToday is not "unbiased enough". Secondly, the cited sources were just ZDNet speculation not any concrete facts. So basically you have Net Applications that takes in real world data to make their usage statistics while LinuxToday just makes shit up based on years old speculations.

Re:Suck on that neckbeards! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29390975)

Just a few links on Windows7 marketshare:
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/windows-7-market-share.aspx?qprid=42&qpcustom=Windows+7&sample=30

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/43824/140/

http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-09-02-024-35-NW-MR

Windows7 is estimated at 1.3%

Linux marketshare is estimated between 0.6% and 2%
Probably Linux struggles to reach single digit.

Muted reaction (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29390415)

Motorola had a smartphone OS that it could customize and reskin. They sucked in part because they are not a software company. Switching horses from WM to Android ain't gonna solve that. These devices will suck too.

Re:Muted reaction (3, Insightful)

ClosedSource (238333) | more than 4 years ago | (#29390523)

Yes, I've been wanting to buy a smartphone from a manufacturer that isn't a hardware company for some time; can you help me?

Re:Muted reaction (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29390583)

Very well put. GP is so diametrically wrong as to be amusing. This phone alone should have Palm sweating, and it's only one of a wide set of offerings.

Re:Muted reaction (1, Interesting)

WaywardGeek (1480513) | more than 4 years ago | (#29391773)

The phone itself looks like it was designed in Taiwan, not by Motorola. Where is the great design team that gave us the Razr? The problem with Android phones isn't the software (which rocks), it's the hardware (which so far sucks big-time). Why would Moto put out another crappy plastic phone with a honking huge slide-out keyboard and tiny battery, when HTC already has that market covered with the T-Mobile G1? Also, T-Mobile isn't exactly the premier partner... why doesn't Verison wake up and get a good phone? They have the best network, happiest customers, and crap for phones. Why they can't get a clue is one of the great mysteries of the universe.

Anyway, I'll probably be forced to buy another iPhone after my crappy T-Mobile G1 gives up the ghost. I hate to go back to evil Apple and the AT&T dork squad. But, that's where we developers have access to the most customers. I'll just hold my nose and enjoy the beautiful hardware Apple designs.

Anyway, hurray for Moto for a headphone jack! That is the biggest reason T-Mobile customers will prefer the Moto device over both of HTCs.

Re:Muted reaction (3, Insightful)

GooberToo (74388) | more than 4 years ago | (#29392179)

...personal opinion on looks ignored...

it's the hardware (which so far sucks big-time).

Really shouldn't respond to this either as its 100% opinion and not fact. The hardware, while not stellar, is very nice. There is nothing wrong with the hardware. It absolutely does not "suck big-time".

a honking huge slide-out

More ignored...but believe it or not, many actually like to USE their phone which means a physical qwerty is required for this class ("smart") of use. Many are very excited about form and function on Motorola's Cliq. Is it for everyone? Hardly. But neither is the majority, "look at me, aren't I cool", iPhone owner. It boils down to preference. FACTUALLY speaking, only a qwerty provides maximum usability. Anything else is about style rather than function. If iphone-esk looks were all that mattered to phone owners, 95+% (made up stat to make point) of the market would disappear tomorrow. So once again, it boils down to preference. You prefer form over function, get an iPhone or one of the other iPhone-like Android phones (Hero, Galaxy, MyTouch, etc). You prefer functionality over form, then the iPhone is immediately crossed out and you have Android phones or one of the other smart phones (Palm, WinMo) available to choose from. Again, its preference...

and tiny battery

More ignored... Go get WiSyncPlus [gearsoft.mobi] and actually use it, and you'll find your battery life is hugely increased. The simple fact is, the battery is plenty big, as is. G1s today can easily meet or exceed iPhone battery life when run under equivalent loads. And that's the problem, all current Android phones, by far, are under much heavier loads than an iPhone, simply because Android-like loads are impossible, because of Apple limitations, on an iPhone. And with those load limitations come huge application limitations. Again, its preference. What's important to you? Form or function? Once again, function and capability tends to always be Android biased.

Does it run Linux? (2, Funny)

filesiteguy (695431) | more than 4 years ago | (#29390439)

(Sorry, had to do it!)

Seriously, I wonder if this will become at all embedded in corporate america. So far, all I see (and use day/night) are blackberry devices. How long will that last? I'd love to see an android device in my business but have doubts about the adoption rate.

Re:Does it run Linux? (2)

gbjbaanb (229885) | more than 4 years ago | (#29390641)

Android, WebOS, Moblin, Maemo... when are these 'convergent device' OSes going to converge to a single Linux distro?

LSB, we have a new problem for you to tackle!

(oh, and when are we going to see these as desktop OSs?)

Re:Does it run Linux? (1)

filesiteguy (695431) | more than 4 years ago | (#29390823)

I have no idea about a moblin=based device. I run that in VirtualBox with some interest.

As for an android-based netbook, I don't think there's enough interest. I saw some rumblings a few months ago - http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10297268-1.html - but that's all.

Re:Does it run Linux? (1, Insightful)

ickleberry (864871) | more than 4 years ago | (#29390831)

Runs the Linux Kernel but really not much else. The rest is a branded browser-based pushing platform for Google Web Services and a mostly proprietary touch-screen UI.

Maemo seems more 'open' and customisable at this point. Would love to see maemo run on non-touchscreen devices and without any animated effects

Re:Does it run Linux? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29391443)

Runs the Linux Kernel but really not much else.

Let's see what's included in the core distro [android.com] ...

aes, apache-http, bison, bluez, bsdiff, bzip2, clearsilver, dbus, dhcpcd, dosfstools, dropbear, e2fsprogs, elfcopy, elfutils, embunit, emma, esd, expat, fdlibm, freetype, gdata, genext2fs, giflib, grub, icu4c, iptables, jdiff, jhead, jpeg, libffi, libpcap, libpng, libxml2, netcat, netperf, neven, opencore, openssl, oprofile, ping, ppp, protobuf, qemu, safe-iop, skia, sonivox, sqlite, srec, strace, tagsoup, tcpdump, tinyxml, tremor, webkit, wpa_supplicant, xdelta3, yaffs2, zlib

Hmm, that's "not much" else?

The rest is a branded browser-based pushing platform for Google Web Services and a mostly proprietary touch-screen UI.

Funny, I looked through the source for this "proprietary" UI, and I couldn't find it - everything is covered by the GPLv2.

Just because it's not X11, doesn't mean it's proprietary.

Meanwhile, in Verizonville... (1)

swanzilla (1458281) | more than 4 years ago | (#29390499)

...we are still limited to RIM and HTC. Boo.

Re:Meanwhile, in Verizonville... (1)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 4 years ago | (#29390617)

Actually, I've got a Motorola phone from Verizon.

It's just so bastardized it's funny.

Re:Meanwhile, in Verizonville... (1)

Theoboley (1226542) | more than 4 years ago | (#29390765)

Yea, I have the Q9C on Alltel/verizon... and it is a complete pile of trash.

Re:Meanwhile, in Verizonville... (1)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 4 years ago | (#29390631)

HTC will be rolling out a number of Android based phones - in the US - soon. I think they have 4 already.

Re:Meanwhile, in Verizonville... (1)

k_187 (61692) | more than 4 years ago | (#29391511)

yes, but whether or not Verizon will offer them is an entirely other question. I want to say I heard something about Verizon saying they would do so, but I don't remember where or when I did.

Re:Meanwhile, in Verizonville... (3, Funny)

dubbayu_d_40 (622643) | more than 4 years ago | (#29390769)

I think we need a public option.

Re:Meanwhile, in Verizonville... (4, Funny)

josteos (455905) | more than 4 years ago | (#29391231)

YOU LIE!!!!

Re:Meanwhile, in Verizonville... (1)

edmicman (830206) | more than 4 years ago | (#29390839)

I *thought* Motorola was supposed to also announce the Sholes yesterday for Verizon....where the heck was that? Nobody anywhere seems to be saying anything about it....

OIN (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29390501)

The question is, does OIN protect only the linux kernel or any OSS project? For example, will OIN step up to protect ffmpeg? If not, then OIN is a bad thing because kernel developers say "ooh, patents are good, we got our ass covered".

If this was available nine months ago... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29390509)

I bought a G1, but after seeing the video, I would rather have this one. Cool enhancements to Android O/S. And it runs Linux!

Re:If this was available nine months ago... (4, Interesting)

Lemmy Caution (8378) | more than 4 years ago | (#29390957)

I would not trust Motorola to maintain the cloud services behind MotoBlur for very long. Neither phone manufacturers nor service providers, in my experience, do a very poor job in follow-through for software and software-based services (Apple, for the most part, excepted; RIM as well.) The strength of the Android platform has been that Google is providing those services, and Google is interested in continuity, long-term relationships with their customers, etc.

Trying to take the Google out of Android and making it a "custom brand" is a confidence-killer for me. The Samsung phone is more promising.

Re:If this was available nine months ago... (1)

InlawBiker (1124825) | more than 4 years ago | (#29391229)

If the MotoBlur service "goes away" I wonder how customizable this phone would be as a stand-alone Android device. Theoretically you can customize the home screens any way you like and still access your "Social Wonder" sites individually. Besides which, it would avoid keeping all of your credentials somewhere out on Verizon's servers.

Re:If this was available nine months ago... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29391467)

I would not trust Motorola to maintain the cloud services behind MotoBlur for very long. Neither phone manufacturers nor service providers, in my experience, do a very poor job in follow-through for software and software-based services (Apple, for the most part, excepted; RIM as well.) The strength of the Android platform has been that Google is providing those services, and Google is interested in continuity, long-term relationships with their customers, etc.

Well, if the MotoBlur app(s) are really just custom-made interfaces to the various social network sites using the publicly-available APIs, then you're really not relying on Moto for anything apart from app updates (as needed).

"MotoBlur"? (3, Funny)

johndiii (229824) | more than 4 years ago | (#29390511)

Why name your UI innovation in a way that suggest that it makes things less clear? This looks like an interesting phone, but that seems to me to be a weird name for a UI. Also, I'd prefer to sacrifice the keyboard for a thinner profile, given that it has at least as good a screen keyboard implementation as the iPhone.

Re:"MotoBlur"? (0)

schon (31600) | more than 4 years ago | (#29391489)

Why name your UI innovation in a way that suggest that it makes things less clear?

How is that any worse than naming something that displays high-definition video as "blur-ay"?

Motorola's great return? (4, Interesting)

MrCrassic (994046) | more than 4 years ago | (#29390521)

I can't say I'm surprised. After the RAZR fad passed and the Q flopped, Motorola had very few alternatives to turn to; Windows Mobile wasn't one of them. This could be their great restart, and I'd really like to see them make a strong comeback into the market.

Maybe they could set another first and make the Android flip-phone (like they did with the MPX200)...?

Re:Motorola's great return? (3, Interesting)

Churla (936633) | more than 4 years ago | (#29390735)

I don't know about calling the RAZR a "fad that passed". That series of phones, in my experience at least, are very solid phones. Also moderately customizable if you want to get into reflashing them. I still have a V3i I keep in my desk drawer "just in case" my G1 should fritz out on me.

Re:Motorola's great return? (2, Interesting)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 4 years ago | (#29390801)

There are silver linings in the RAZR series, a few phones (V3i and V3x in particular) can be tinkered for FANTASTIC battery life, and they have the largest screens of their cousins that run the same software. With that said: That particular software is total garbage. Most models (my V3i included) don't even support stereo bluetooth audio. I never had to reboot my phone less than once a week, more if I was making frequent use of Java applets. Sometimes the phone would just refuse to transmit any Audio in one direction or the other until a reboot; sometimes the dialer would hang. I now have another moto phone with the same software (W345i I think) from Crackphone, and it is a terrible piece of shit. The keypad is even harder to use properly (i.e. pressing one key at a time) than the RAZR's and the port covers are very hard to remove. The RAZR had none, and it was a problem. All in all, I am planning on the Nokia N900. I think Motorola has forgotten everything they ever knew about making durable hardware and I no longer trust them.

Re:Motorola's great return? (2, Insightful)

Halotron1 (1604209) | more than 4 years ago | (#29390945)

I think the fad slowed down, because eventually everyone that wanted a RAZR had one.
In the slim phone market I think the RAZR really beat the crap out of the competition.

Then like always, you get bored of your current gadget and want a new one.

I had a RAZR and loved it, then my work offered to buy me an iPhone.
The iPhone is cool for listening to music, and facebook, etc. but sometimes I miss the simplicity of having just a really well designed slim phone.

Re:Motorola's great return? (1)

glop (181086) | more than 4 years ago | (#29390775)

Engadget has a comparison of all the Android devices to date and they all are very similar at the moment. I guess it's good news to some extent as it means the apps don't have to cope with different screen sizes or even different CPUs.
But at the same time, why bother with Dalvik if they were going to all target the same Qualcomm/ARM chip at the same frequency? They could have just used gcj and compiled to ARM...

Hopefully this is going to change and the manufacturers are going to come up with exciting Android handsets. I mean, good enough to get Nokia to lower the price of the N900 would be great!

Re:Motorola's great return? (2, Informative)

GooberToo (74388) | more than 4 years ago | (#29391929)

But at the same time, why bother with Dalvik

They are not all targeting the same chips or even CPU.

Android now runs on or is in the process of running on X86 and MIPS. Additionally, alternate ARM-variants (non-Qualcomm CPUs) are also in use for Android phones and devices. With the release of the Android Native Development Kit [android.com] , you can officially target specific CPUs with native code but it creates additional work and headaches for developers. Not to mention, when the market is upgraded to become NDK aware, applications which use the NDK will only show for those CPUs which are supported. That in turn requires per-CPU releases rather than a single package for all variants. That of course has both its pros and cons.

Ultimately, the NDK is still limited in what it supports. Of course, developers are free to jump the NDK-fence, but that means almost certain application breakage as new Android releases are made available to users. Of course, to some small degree that's true for Dalvik code too - contrary to what Google officially states.

Re:Motorola's great return? (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 4 years ago | (#29390819)

Actually Engadget seems to really like it. I hear that it will be "free" on T-Mobile with a two year contract.
This really good be a great phone. Motorola phones are well made and usually have great call quality. The only thing wrong with them right now is that they tend to be boring.

Re:Motorola's great return? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29390931)

You can have my RAZR when you pry it out of my cold dead hands.

Solid construction, thin profile, simple interface, and it is simply first and foremost a phone. I want nothing more and nothing less from my cellphone.

Re:Motorola's great return? - Not likely... (4, Interesting)

DomNF15 (1529309) | more than 4 years ago | (#29391411)

The Razr was an innovative phone when it was released, no one else had a phone like it (similar to the iPhone when it was released). It was copied and mimicked ad-nauseam by a number of cell phone manufacturers. Motorola's problem is that they rode the Razr wave all the way back to the beach before they refocused any attention on R&D and their upcoming product portfolio. I worked for Moto Mobile Devices for 4 years, and towards the end, all the big wigs were telling us we had nothing in our 3G GSM product pipeline, and that's when I made the decision to leave. The Cliq, while seemingly a nice device that appears to at least somewhat compete with the iPhone, is by no means groundbreaking. It may help Motorola to start selling cell phones again, but I doubt it will bring them anywhere near the level of success enjoyed during the Razr centric times. To see them back on top, Motorola will have to continue delivering phones that best the Cliq and drive the market.

Re:Motorola's great return? - Not likely... (1)

MrCrassic (994046) | more than 4 years ago | (#29391713)

I completely agree. I always felt that every new Motorola phone after the RAZR was...a derivative of the RAZR (or something like it). I wish that they had spent more time improving the firmware on these devices, or, at the very least, spending time on making other phones people would actually want.

Re:Motorola's great return? (1)

TheMCP (121589) | more than 4 years ago | (#29391897)

I'm with you - this could be a winner. I owned a RAZR - for one night. I bought it at 4pm, hated it so much that I decided within an hour to return it, and took it back the next day. The software sucked. BUT THE HARDWARE WAS AWESOME. It was slim and light and comfortable and felt like it was built like a tank - in fact, it was the most solid feeling cell phone I ever used. Later, I owned the Motorola branded "hip-top" phone using the Danger software... I didn't love the software and eventually replaced it with an iphone, but again, the hardware was awesome and felt really really solid.

The combination of rock-solid Motorola hardware with a great OS and software should make for a really fantastic phone and experience, and I wish them the best.

ho hum (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29390567)

I hate Verizon, but it's what works here, so this is another phone I want but can't use.
Thanks for nothing, Motorola.

Motoblur (1)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 4 years ago | (#29390579)

The motodetails were motoblurred in the motoannouncement. Would be interesting to see how it compares in meaningful features with other Android cellphones and from other platforms (iphone, latest blackberry, nokia n900, etc).

Also a social network specifically only for users of their phones starting from that model could not end being a so good idea, specially with already widely used social networks with mobile clients (i.e. facebook) and probably future ones (i would bet that Google wave will have an android, and other smartphones, client, and could shape part of itself to be a social network too). If it gets very popular could pump sales of course, but need to reach critical mass first, and the price to enter could be high.

Re:Motoblur (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29391197)

Would be interesting to see how it compares in meaningful features with other Android cellphones and from other platforms (iphone, latest blackberry, nokia n900, etc).

From the image here [pmptoday.com] you can quite clearly see that the Cliq keyboard has an Alt key. However, here [nokia.com] you will notice that the N900 on the other hand has a Ctrl key.

The N900 therefore, clearly beats the Cliq on the only count that really matters... vi support. :P

Get these on Verizon!!! (2)

MikeRT (947531) | more than 4 years ago | (#29390607)

Attention Google: if you want Android to challenge Apple, you have to get it on Verizon. Verizon is the only company with an infrastructure that can kick AT&T in the teeth.

Re:Get these on Verizon!!! (1)

teopatl (162615) | more than 4 years ago | (#29390701)

There's wide speculation that they have more coming; in fact, I was surprised they didn't announce two products yesterday. The Sholes in particular is supposed to hit big red before the end of the CY.

Re:Get these on Verizon!!! (1)

AF_Cheddar_Head (1186601) | more than 4 years ago | (#29390709)

Screw Verizon, you would have to redesign the battery to use them on Verizon. Why not sell them unlocked so I can use it on my ATT GSM network and roam worldwide.

Re:Get these on Verizon!!! (2, Funny)

AF_Cheddar_Head (1186601) | more than 4 years ago | (#29390779)

Sorry, Redesign the radio. Preview, preview preview then post

Re:Get these on Verizon!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29390835)

You would have to redesign the battery on an operating system? I never realized that by upgrading a battery on my laptop I'd have to buy a redesigned version of Windows XP (which is essentially what you're saying here).

Forget GSM. It's old and outdated. I don't have any statistics, but I bet a huge portion of Verizons customers don't travel to other countries and don't really give a crap about interoperability. Not to mention they could design it to work with both (like RIM does with some of their blackberries).

Re:Get these on Verizon!!! (1)

AF_Cheddar_Head (1186601) | more than 4 years ago | (#29390909)

Might be old and outdated but it is worldwide and don't you think users of high-end smartphones are more likely to travel than standard everyday users?

Re:Get these on Verizon!!! (1)

Jared555 (874152) | more than 4 years ago | (#29391187)

It depends.... Is that high-end smartphone free*?

*2 year contract, $50 mail in rebate, $300 early termination fee, and background check required. Please sign here.

Re:Get these on Verizon!!! (5, Funny)

mmacdona86 (524915) | more than 4 years ago | (#29390723)

Unfortunately, Google's mission "Don't be evil" fundamentally conflicts with Verizon's "Be evil".

Re:Get these on Verizon!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29390759)

Screw Verizon... I want it on Sprint!

Re:Get these on Verizon!!! (0, Troll)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 4 years ago | (#29390777)

Um Verizon could have them.
If Verizon gets them they will.
1. Limit BlueTooth functions.
2. Put their own UI on them.
3. Remove wifi.
4. Force you to use the new Verizon app store.
5. have some really creepy guy always following around.
Sprint has the Pre and the new Pixie from Palm. My wife has a Pre and loves it. PS we get really good service and Sprint has never crippled their phones.
Sprint is getting the HTC Hero with Android and the Samsung InstinctQ with Android.
TMobile has a bunch of Android phones.
And I hear AT&T is getting some Android phones and they already have the Nokia E71 for the S60 fans and the of course the iPhone.

If you really like Verizon just wait a bit. I hear they are going to get the Pre around May....

Re:Get these on Verizon!!! (2, Informative)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 4 years ago | (#29390815)

Say what? There's already one coming: (gizmodo link) [gizmodo.com] in a month [androidandme.com] .

Open handset alliance has members of basically every phone provider, so don't think that a singular google phone will, nor will have to, take over the iphone. They'll simply have one to fit every person's preference, unlike the iphone.

Re:Get these on Verizon!!! (0, Troll)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 4 years ago | (#29390859)

Verizon has way poorer coverage than AT&T in California, the most populous state in the Union. You can't really blame AT&T for serving the most important markets first.

Re:Get these on Verizon!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29392053)

Living in California myself, I disagree. I find Verizon's service better wrt dropped calls, etc.

Re:Get these on Verizon!!! (1)

FiloEleven (602040) | more than 4 years ago | (#29391021)

Agreed. Google also needs to buckle down and make their own damn hardware. The OS is nice, the alliance is nice, but the fact that different phones all support different features of the OS leads to market confusion. If Google made a smartphone, their brand alone (sitting at the forefront, not a footnote to Motorola) would get a lot of people interested. My experience leads me to believe that they'd do a good job with the hardware interface, even if it just ended up being an iClone.

Re:Get these on Verizon!!! (2, Insightful)

sycorob (180615) | more than 4 years ago | (#29391683)

Has anybody in the Bay Area been on AT&T both before the iPhone, and after? How did the quality of the network change?

My point is, people keep claiming that the iPhone is beating the hell out of AT&T's network, especially the data service. As a long-time Verizon customer, I love the service, and I'm curious whether a really solid smartphone would kill Verizon too.

I don't remember hearing constant bitching about AT&T's network before the iPhone became widely popular. Just sayin'

Oh great... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29390637)

...Motorola has made some of the worst phones (UI, featureset, bugs) I have ever owned. I'm sure they're going to find a way to destroy Andriod's potential.

I think it's great (1)

Maury Markowitz (452832) | more than 4 years ago | (#29390691)

Seems like an interesting idea to me. There's no point attacking the iPhone head on, and this niche seems to be a good one to pick up. I know I wish my phone had better notification, and if it looked cool too, even better.

Muted reaction... Duh. (1)

Andy Dodd (701) | more than 4 years ago | (#29390737)

There's a "muted reaction" to these for the same reason Android device adoption has been disappointing.

Tying yourself to one of the smallest two of the "big four" wireless carriers in the United States (don't know if T-Mo or Sprint is smaller) is NOT a smart way to gain widespread adoption.

I would love to give an Android phone a chance for my next phone, but right now it's looking like my next phone (which will replace my current AT&T Tilt) will be AT&T's next WinMo-based HTC device. T-Mobile is NOT an option in my area, they have zero coverage from my workplace/apartment to about 10-15 miles down the highway. (For whatever reason, 75% of the time their roaming agreement with AT&T is nonfunctional in my area.)

Single stream? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29390783)

Wouldn't running multiple streams, one for each task, be faster? Be ashamed, Motorola... it's CS basics, really.

Stream (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29391297)

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

very nice, iPhone's days may be numbered (2, Interesting)

alen (225700) | more than 4 years ago | (#29390845)

Nice thing about the new Android phones is that developers are writing apps with work together with other apps. Almost impossible on the iPhone unless Steve Jobs rids himself of his total control fixation. Give it 2 years or so for this tech to mature some more, get more apps out there and have HTC and others build phones with a lot of storage like Apple does and i'll be junking my iphone 3GS come 2011 when my contract expires.

iPhone is nice even for all it's shortcomings, but Apple's total control fixation is going to hurt it in the long run and leave it as a niche device only for the cult of steve fanboys

Re:very nice, iPhone's days may be numbered (1)

Maury Markowitz (452832) | more than 4 years ago | (#29391747)

> Give it 2 years or so for this tech to mature some more, get more apps out there and have
> HTC and others build phones with a lot of storage like Apple does and i'll be junking my iphone
> 3GS come 2011 when my contract expires.

Apple is adding features much more quickly than any of the other providers. Yes, it's true, some of those should have been in the first version. But that's besides the point, the issue is the velocity of change.

So the question is whether or not you think the Android platform's developers will create all this goodness before the iPhone developers do. Everything I can see suggests the iPhone market is going to win any sort of head-to-head "app off", especially if there's another 15 to 20 million handsets out there driving its development.

Maury

Re:very nice, iPhone's days may be numbered (1)

Maury Markowitz (452832) | more than 4 years ago | (#29391819)

To clarify that last statement: you talked about a 2 year window, and during the last 2.x years they sold 30 million, so in another 2 I think 15 to 20 million is fair.

So you're looking at a market of 50 million iPhones. That's a LOT of developer interest, both outside Apple and within. If inter-app programming actually adds value (debatable IMHO) then there's every reason to believe Apple can add it within that time frame, and every reason to believe the 3rd party developers would have put it to considerably wider use through sheer numbers alone.

Maury

Re:very nice, iPhone's days may be numbered (4, Insightful)

metamatic (202216) | more than 4 years ago | (#29392055)

iPhone is nice even for all it's shortcomings, but Apple's total control fixation is going to hurt it in the long run and leave it as a niche device only for the cult of steve fanboys

The sad thing is, Apple is repeating exactly the same mistakes it made in 1984/85.

Back then, Philips and Sony came to Apple and asked about licensing MacOS. Jean-Louis Gassee told Jobs that Apple was so far ahead, the others would never catch up. So they kept an ironclad control over the Mac OS. And the entire rest of the industry went with DOS, and then Windows... and even though both were inferior, with Apple vs the entire rest of the industry, the end result was inevitable, and Mac OS became a tiny niche product.

Apple may be able to beat RIM at the smartphone game, but they'll never beat RIM, Nokia, Motorola, HTC, Samsung and Sony together, not in the long run. The iPhone will become the niche, and Android will become the 90%.

Re:very nice, iPhone's days may be numbered (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29392229)

have HTC and others build phones with a lot of storage like Apple does and i'll be junking my iphone 3GS

HTC already includes a MicroSDHC slot with capacity of up to 32GB available--though 16GB cards are more reasonably priced. If a firmware update makes it possible, future SDXC 64GB cards may also eventually work with HTC phones. That is, without discarding hardware (iPhones, iPods, etc that are not memory upgradable), but simply by replacing a card.

Products branded by how much internal memory they have (i.e. iPhone 16GB) will eventually become a somewhat comical thing of the past. It makes more sense to store only operating system files on internal memory, while everything else is on a removable, highly-accessible, standard-compliant MicroSDHC card. Hell, put all your music on your MicroSDHC card and swap it between your HTC Fuze phone and your Sanza Fuze mp3 player if you like.

Reuters never said muted LOL (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29390933)

I read the Reuters article and they said modest, they also said it made Motorola's shares go up to $8 and they're expecting it to go up to $10. Someone at /. doesn't like Motorola so they misquoted the article? LOL

PLease tell me... (0)

hoggoth (414195) | more than 4 years ago | (#29390951)

Slashdot, it is Friday and I am tired. I can't bring myself to read the article, or even the summary.
Please tell me if we are loving this or hating this so I can feel appropriately without any effort.

It's about time... (4, Insightful)

gillbates (106458) | more than 4 years ago | (#29390955)

Disclaimer: I work for Motorola. I'm giving up mod points to post this, as I think some people would consider it a conflict of interest if they knew.

That said, I've been long awaiting this change. I like the feature set - it approaches a consumer class camera (5 MP, 24 Hz video). It looks very functional, very usable. I'm not usually one to get excited about phones, but this looks quite good.

I've heard a lot of people bemoan the proprietary state of cellphone systems. Well, here's your chance to buy a Linux based phone, and show the manufacturers what you *really* want.

Re:It's about time... (1)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | more than 4 years ago | (#29391069)

Sounds good. I'd like to do that, with a few qualifications. I need to be able to buy an unlocked one for ~ $300 and be able to modify the OS and applications on it. It has all of the other qualifications.

Do you know if they'll provide an unlocked one?

Re:It's about time... (1)

InlawBiker (1124825) | more than 4 years ago | (#29391299)

The stand-alone version is $400 from what I understand. Seems pretty reasonable.

Re:It's about time... (1)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | more than 4 years ago | (#29391427)

Reasonable, yes. Awesome, no.

Re:It's about time... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29391305)

it approaches a consumer class camera (5 MP, 24 Hz video)

Like the phone I had years ago then? The previous generation of phones was 8.1 megapixels and current ones are 12 megapixels.

Mind you, if it takes a picture when you press the button instead of focussing for 5 seconds that would be a big improvement.

Re:It's about time... (1)

paulsnx2 (453081) | more than 4 years ago | (#29392129)

Perhaps he should have said "approaches a usable resolution..."

Still, the point is valid. A 1.2 MP camera is really useless. 5 MP is pretty reasonable.

Re:It's about time... (1)

mrjohnson (538567) | more than 4 years ago | (#29391743)

It's going to TMobile... again. I think that'll limit uptake quite a bit. The HTC Magic uses the same processor and a bit less storage. Where's the beef?

I like that it has a real keyboard but I have strong reservations about giving all my account details away. Plus, I like that the services are separate. It solves the whole Mom-saw-my-drunken-photo problem.

I'm underwhelmed by this announcement...

Any word on battery life? (1)

JSBiff (87824) | more than 4 years ago | (#29391991)

One of the common complaints about the G1 was that, while people liked the phone, they decided the battery life was just too short to be useful. How does the cliq fair in this department? You can have great features, but if the battery dies in 2 or 3 hours, no one will care.

Also, IIRC, another common complaint was no standard headset jack (I guess you could use a headset, but it had to plug in through USB port or some proprietary port or something, or else use BlueTooth). Did Moto learn from the HTC mistakes, and include the headset jack?

Re:It's about time... (1)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 4 years ago | (#29392157)

Well, I hope you (Motorola) can put a bit of fire below Nokia's and Samsung's asses again... you know, for a better market. :)

Did you hear someone scream something like "eye foam"?
No?
Me neither. ;)

Re:It's about time... (1)

AmiMoJo (196126) | more than 4 years ago | (#29392295)

I am quite interested in this phone now. I have been considering an iPhone, but they are still pretty expensive and I don't like the idea of having to install iTunes and not being able to use SD cards to expand the storage, or even replace the battery easily.

Android is very attractive because it seems to be more open than the iPhone OS and Google allow apps that Apple reject, but until now all of the available Android phones have been pretty average. The iPhone 3GS has a pretty good camera, so let's hope this one rivals it. TFA is a bit light on detail but I would assume/hope the phone has wifi and an SD card slot. Maybe it even charges from a mini-USB cable and I guess like all Motorola phones the battery is removable. The only question then is the price.

muted (1)

DarthVain (724186) | more than 4 years ago | (#29391017)

Translation: "No one gives a shit".

keyboard looks like crap (1)

Spazmania (174582) | more than 4 years ago | (#29391063)

How am I gonna do ssh on that? It doesn't even have number keys. It's everything that's wrong about the Blackberry plus the extra reliability issues from moving parts.

Interesting.. (2, Interesting)

mewsenews (251487) | more than 4 years ago | (#29391205)

I'm a bit of a Motorola fan, I've used their cell phones for years, but their problem for a long time has been that they produce solid hardware and total crap software.

So now we'll have great Moto hardware with wonderful Google software -- perfect world, right? Except Motorola decides to go and add "MotoBlur" to the Android software, and who knows how much of a train wreck that will be.

Anyways, I'll very much be looking forward to reviews of these devices.

Re:Interesting.. (1)

Rennt (582550) | more than 4 years ago | (#29391457)

You might have to jailbreak it first, but I'm sure you'll be able to reflash it with the standard Android firmware. Or even better - something like cyanogenmod, now with Brain Fuck Scheduler!

N900 or this one? (1)

B5_geek (638928) | more than 4 years ago | (#29391541)

I am looking for a new phone because my existing HTC smartphone (Win based) is crap and doesn't run putty. I need to be able to ssh into my linux servers and do remote work/maintenance on them. I would like to be able to run the CLI tools (irssi, mc, etc..)

I also need the following: Gmail contact/calender sync. (2-way), wifi VoIP

Nice to have: Gtalk and/or Skype
What phone should I get? The Nokia N900, this one, or anything else? I would even be willing to 'give-up' cell-phone usage in exchange for excellent wifi VoIP.

Re:N900 or this one? (1)

Tyr_7BE (461429) | more than 4 years ago | (#29392249)

Once you're ssh'd in, wouldn't you have those CLI tools available?

With the exception of the CLI tools, sounds like you're looking for one of the new blackberries. I use mine to ssh into my servers all the time, and it does pretty much everything else on your list. I've even done some basic vim over ssh, although at that point it's worth it to switch to a laptop.

Re:N900 or this one? (1)

Xtifr (1323) | more than 4 years ago | (#29392297)

I dunno, the keyboard on this one looks really crappy compared to the G1, which is what I have, and even with the G1 and ConnectBot [google.com] , vi can be a bit awkward. If ssh support is really important, I would probably look at the HTC android phones or the N900 before this, but my opinion is mostly based on photographic evidence, so if anyone has hands-on evidence that contradicts my speculation, you should probably believe them over me.

Gmail, Google calendar, and GTalk are (of course) well-supported on Android. Dunno about VOIP (I barely use the phone features as it is).

MotoBlur (1)

Bodero (136806) | more than 4 years ago | (#29391697)

MotoBlur:

Now everything is where you want it - in one place, on tap. Your friends, pics, emails, messages, and Facebook(TM), MySpace and Twitter happenings. Motorola CLIQ is the first phone to come with MOTOBLUR, the only service that can sync them all, with continuous updates and back ups. There are no logins or apps to open, and your data's always safe. Talk about socialized.

In other words, every Blackberry made in the last three years, at least. A unified messages folder - what a novel idea.

MotoBlah (1)

tunapez (1161697) | more than 4 years ago | (#29392095)

Sounds like one of the many apps in the "App Store" I would never put on my phone. Except it is integrated into the platform of my(not) phone. I watched a good deal of that webcast yesterday and what I saw was a bunch of eggheads rationalizing their price tags for forcing more data onto these already over-loaded networks($.20-.50 / MB...WTF???). What a grand favor these providers are doing us for, nevermind all the data mining potential each of the individual apps provide all rolled up into one aggregate sitting on Moto's servers.
I for one do not welcome our omniscient, cloud-dwelling overlords who have the uncanny ability to smile and look me in the eye, all the while sticking it to me hard and dry.

I was excited for the arrival of Android on VZW. Now I see I won't be buying a new phone with Moto's exceptional reception and the ability to function as an intertube appliance on Wifi b/c there will be some worthless "value-added" bundle and a required data package to tie in with the phone. So, I guess I will continue to save the $5 net access fee and use my phone like caveman used to do it, solely for making calls.

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