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Israeli Border Police Shoot US Student's Laptop

kdawson posted more than 4 years ago | from the no-less-no-more dept.

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zerothink writes "American student Lily Sussman, 21, upon entry into Israel from Taba (Egypt, Sinai) caught Israeli border police in grumpy mood — after two hours of questions and searching through her belongings they decided to put three bullets through her laptop. Explanation? 'I'm sorry but we had to blow up your laptop.' Haaretz also covered the story." All three bullets missed the hard disk.

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Conveniently forgetting the details (4, Informative)

assemblerex (1275164) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455454)

She had the following on herself -hand drawn map of downtown Jerusalem -Arabic stickers on laptop -"Fuck Star of David" pic on phone
-passport stamps from Arab countries -various Arab publications -photos condemning Israeli military action in Gaza

Re:Conveniently forgetting the details (5, Insightful)

jhoegl (638955) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455486)

Soooo... they nerdraged her puter?
Seems a little odd they would attack her puter. Feels more like they were little babies because they didnt agree with her on some subjects so they hurt the only thing they could. School playground antics from grown ups, awesome.

Re:Conveniently forgetting the details (5, Funny)

OverlordQ (264228) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455672)

Given the other evidence they probably determined there was a statistically significant percentage that the laptop wasn't just a laptop, so they disposed of it how almost every group disables potential bombs, by shooting it.

Shooting bombs? No bombs trigger when shot? (1)

jonaskoelker (922170) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455738)

so they disposed of it how almost every group disables potential bombs, by shooting it.

Would it be possible to design a bomb that goes off when shot? That way, you-the-bomber get around the most popular technique for defusing rather easily...

(not that I encourage bombing stuff)

Re:Shooting bombs? No bombs trigger when shot? (2, Funny)

xouumalperxe (815707) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455858)

Would it be possible to design a bomb that goes off when shot?

Sure. Just carry a jar of nitroglycerine. The trick with that one is, rather, not to have it go off because you looked at it wrong.

Re:Shooting bombs? No bombs trigger when shot? (5, Insightful)

Griim (8798) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455904)

The reason they're shooting it is to *try* to make it go off.

Typically this would be put in a bomb pit somewhere nearby. From reading the comments this is fairly common practice there. This one nailed it pretty well:

"I know many Jewish Israeli people who had their bag shot just because they left it unwatched for a couple of minutes. Yes, this is the unfortunate reality that Israelis live in, where Palestinian terrorist would do anything (such as put bombs cowardly hidden in laptops) to intentionally hurt innocent civilians. These are precaution measures intended to prevent loss of innocent lives (yes, sometimes at the cost of a cherished laptop because of a possibly careless border officer)."

Re:Conveniently forgetting the details (2, Informative)

Jojoba86 (1496883) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455488)

There was no moaning in TFA about the questioning, just the 3 bullets in the laptop. There's no reasonable explanation to why they might do this that I can think of, but it makes for some awesome pictures.

Re:Conveniently forgetting the details (3, Informative)

assemblerex (1275164) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455512)

Standard OP for possible explosive device is most countries it to shoot it to prevent it from exploding. Usually a shotgun is used. It does not have enough force to detonate the device.

Re:Conveniently forgetting the details (5, Informative)

meerling (1487879) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455740)

If it were a chemical or biological agent, that would release it into the air.
Was the agent wearing a proper hazard suit and mask?

Second, shotguns won't set off plastic explosives. Neither will a high powered rifle.
But if a shotgun pellet hit a blasting cap it will definitely explode the whole thing.
From what I hear, terrorist improvised explosive devices tend to be made with more unstable stuff (blasting caps) rather than more stable things (c4).
By the way, forget everything you've ever seen in a movie about explosives, it's total B.S.
Also, all the E.O.D. guys I know of doing a 'disposal' will either move it to a 'safe' location or at least sandbag the snot out of it before dealing with it.
(You know those new bomb robots that have the built in gun? It's for shooting at the control mechanism, not the explosives, and if you don't know where both those parts are, you don't shoot at it unless you want to buy a new robot. Last E.O.D. robot I played with cost $2.5 million. Nobody wants that coming out of their paychecks.)

Yes, I know what I'm talking about when it comes to those substances, I really was a Munitions Systems Specialist in the military.
(Job kinda sucked, so did the co-workers, but it had it's good points.)

Either way you look at it, they pumped 3 rounds into just to be pricks and F with the girl.

Re:Conveniently forgetting the details (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30455820)

They likely used this bomb disposal robot [wikipedia.org]

Re:Conveniently forgetting the details (4, Insightful)

Yvanhoe (564877) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455492)

So they had to shoot down her laptop. With three bullets. Missing her hard drive. That really makes sense now.

Probably better for her than old TSA policy (0, Flamebait)

Mathinker (909784) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455580)

Since she was lucky and the hard drive wasn't hit, it was probably better in the end for her than what would have happened to her if she tried to enter the US with a laptop with Al-Qaeda stickers on it. Under the old rules (which supposedly have been changed under Obama), the TSA could arbitrarily seize the laptop for an indefinite period of time for investigation.

I am of course assuming she had valuable data on the hard drive compared with the price of the hardware.

Given the political statements on her laptop, one wonders what kind of provocation she might have tried with the guards. I don't believe that justifies their reaction, and wouldn't be surprised if they are disciplined (which will, of course, generate zero coverage outside of Israel), but most rational people understand that baiting Israelis is a rather dangerous sport.

Re:Probably better for her than old TSA policy (4, Informative)

cmdr_tofu (826352) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455882)

What Al Queda stickers? What political statements?

Her blog only said Arabic stickers. AFAIK, the language is not (nor is speaking it or appreciating it) against any laws.

Re:Probably better for her than old TSA policy (1)

amRadioHed (463061) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455898)

Who the hell said anything about Al-Qaeda stickers? All she said is the stickers where arabic.

Re:Conveniently forgetting the details (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30455612)

The purpose of the shots was most likely *not* the destruction of data on the hard drive, but the disablement of a potential explosive device.

US embassies won't tolerate any laptop from visitors (they tolerate celle phones, which you have to leave outside before entering though).

Israeli airport security once kept an external hard drive as I had no laptop to plug it in, they wanted to make sure it was not explosives disguised as a hard drive. They send the hard drive back to my home in the US at their own expense 48h later.

The method seems ruthless, but given what the girl had on her, they probably did not want to risk anything. And they will pay for the laptop.

Re:Conveniently forgetting the details (2, Insightful)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455774)

They're military grunts, not PC repair men. Tell me, from looking at the case behind the LCD of a laptop, can you tell me where the hard drive is located?

Do you know what the symbol for "Arm" is on the firing control mechanism for an M1 Abrahms main gun? I'm guessing they have a better idea than you, but then again you have a better idea of which symbol means "hard disk" on a computer case.

Re:Conveniently forgetting the details (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30455818)

Do you know what the symbol for "Arm" is on the firing control mechanism for an M1 Abrahms main gun?

Wait... you mean the design of the main US battletank supposes that the operators can't read english? Or is this from some israeli knockoff of the Abrams?

Re:Conveniently forgetting the details (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30455506)

Does anyone DISAGREE with all her statements?
And even in the event of someone somehow supporting a purely racist self-declared state of Israel, what happened to freedom of speech?

Re:Conveniently forgetting the details (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30455622)

Selfdeclared? There WAS resolution of UN which allowed its creation. Most countries recognize Israel, even if they dont recognise Jerusalem as its capital.
How about "selfdeclared" state of US? Or "selfdeclared" state of Syria? Or "selfdeclared" state of Spain? Or Iran ... or all other states of world?

Re:Conveniently forgetting the details (1)

ta bu shi da yu (687699) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455668)

Someone mod up the anonymous poster. At least they have a good understanding of the history behind the formation of the state of Israel.

Re:Conveniently forgetting the details (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30455782)

very true and the parent is very wrong. but it was created with very different borders than today

http://moinansari.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/israel-palestine_map.jpg

and that was using merkava "treaties".

Re:Conveniently forgetting the details (4, Informative)

Sir_Lewk (967686) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455790)

self-declared state of Israel

Actually, they were declared a state in 1947 by the UN.

But hey, sometimes facts just arn't as fun are they?

Re:Conveniently forgetting the details (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30455536)

Good thing she didn't visit the US then. That would have bought her an extended stay at Hotel Guantanamo Bay.

Re:Conveniently forgetting the details (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30455538)

She had the following on herself -hand drawn map of downtown Jerusalem -Arabic stickers on laptop -"Fuck Star of David" pic on phone

  -passport stamps from Arab countries -various Arab publications -photos condemning Israeli military action in Gaza

It is not convenient at all forgetting the details you mentioned. They change nothing about the story. The only thing that can justify such an action is if her laptop battery was made by sony.

Now that's a threat.

Re:Conveniently forgetting the details (1)

oldhack (1037484) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455546)

Those goons must be hallucinating that they work for TSA or US Border Patrol.

Re:Conveniently forgetting the details (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30455558)

So you're saying that it's ok since she had the wrong politics?

Re:Conveniently forgetting the details (4, Insightful)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455582)

Of course. Everyone knows that terrorists will do everything they can to draw attention to themselves while setting up a plot.

Re:Conveniently forgetting the details (3, Informative)

furball (2853) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455836)

You mean like these guys [wikipedia.org] ? As part of their preparation, they made a video. Then they take said video to Circuit City to have it converted to DVD.

Re:Conveniently forgetting the details (2, Insightful)

VShael (62735) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455586)

She had the following on herself -hand drawn map of downtown Jerusalem -Arabic stickers on laptop -"Fuck Star of David" pic on phone
-passport stamps from Arab countries -various Arab publications -photos condemning Israeli military action in Gaza

Unless her name was Ms. McGyver, I don't see how posession of any of these items is a threat to anyone or anything.
And unless there was a good reason to shoot the laptop, these folks were simply acting like dicks with too much power and too much paranoia. (A common complaint amongst guards the world over, mind, not just Israel.)

If you can't tell the legitimate threats, from the bullshit ones, then you're going to fuck up your job sooner or later.

And in their case, a fuck up means people could die.

Right... Pardon me while I generalize (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30455602)

Because someone who might be derogating my country or religion while being from someplace else gives me a right to abuse my authority and solidify their stereotypes about my religion and abuse of power. It's not like there are any problems with closed-minded hatred and unproductive revenge in that part of the world.

Childish people on one side will find this funny or say "she had it coming," childish people on the other will find it evidence. This isn't the reason there's war between peoples. This is the reason there's hate that allows war.

(Note: It's not at all clear she's actually derogating the other country. Stickers in Arabic is clearly evidence of something, after all. And a photo of offensive graffiti makes someone a terrorist. Who can be foiled by shooting her laptop.)

Re:Conveniently forgetting the details (4, Funny)

unbug (1188963) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455648)

Indeed. I'm constantly amazed at how people carrying Arab publications act all surprised when their laptops get shot.

Re:Conveniently forgetting the details (4, Insightful)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455662)

Half of those are covered by her living in Egypt, half of them by her being a journalist. Either of those in isolation or combination strike you as a bomb threat?

Re:Conveniently forgetting the details (5, Insightful)

hashax (1190057) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455700)

She had the following on herself -hand drawn map of downtown Jerusalem

Geography students in Israel better start wearing kevlar soon.

-Arabic stickers on laptop -

If you're one of the 530 million people speaking Arabic, here's some news - knowing a language could be a crime.

"Fuck Star of David" pic on phone

I'm not one for nasty language, but I won't go popping bullets in things I don't like, Mr Columbine.

-passport stamps from Arab countries -

What's wrong with visiting an arab country? or do you believe in enclosing a race to their own land and prevent them from outside contact? Similar logic to that of a certain country, I must say.

various Arab publications

That sounds plain xenophobic. Education is not synonymous to English or Hebrew.

-photos condemning Israeli military action in Gaza

You should start getting trigger-happy with the U.N., Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and a dozen other human rights monitoring agenices and governemtns, because they condemned military action in Gaza. I should not have to leave my opinion at the border when entering a country, if my opinion is not causing any harm to anyone.

Re:Conveniently forgetting the details (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30455742)

How the fuck is that convenient? She could have a death to Israel sticker on her laptop and it still wouldn't justify the actions of a government that touts itself as a Western democracy.

Re:Conveniently forgetting the details (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30455758)

Yes, you're of course right - NOW it really makes sense to shoot a macbook.

Re:Conveniently forgetting the details (2, Interesting)

grimsnaggle (1320777) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455780)

So she didn't have access to a printer and isn't fond of the Israeli government's behavior towards the Palestinians. Neither of those make her computer a serious threat to security nor justify the behavior of guards. They were clearly acting out of malice. It's precisely this kind of behavior that breeds discontent with a government both at home and abroad.

What governments need to realize is that it's important to take the high ground. They must act logically, thoughtfully, consistently, honestly, and fairly regardless of the immediate consequences of doing the right thing. Doing otherwise may seem profitable in the short term, but will only create discontent in the long term.

All of that said, it would have been easy for this girl to have avoided all of this if she had been interested in doing so. She must have known that her items would catch the attention of the guards, or she must have been an idiot.

I suppose all I've proven here is that guards are unthinking thugs (ask any American Slashdotters of their opinion of the TSA) and that there are attention-whores with travel plans. Nothing to see here...

Also forgets Jews may criticize Israeli actions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30455838)

You're conveniently forgetting something else more important. This is about free speech. As a Jew, Lily Sussman has the same right as anybody else to free speech and has the right to criticize any actions of the state of Israel without being subjected to retaliation. Not all Jews support what Israel did (and continues to do) in Gaza. It goes without saying that no Jews support what the Arab terrorists did (and continue to do).

Re:Conveniently forgetting the details (1)

CRCulver (715279) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455862)

I hold a US passport and have crossed into Israel a few times from both Taba border (Egypt) and the Yitzak Rabin crossing (Jordan). Each time I experienced lengthy questioning, but ultimately I was let through in spite of my Syrian visa stamps and backpack full of Tatar textbooks because the guards understood I was just a normal traveler and student. As soon as I saw the headline, I knew that if this girl had problems, it's likely because she was seen as another potential Rachel Corrie, which neither Israel nor the Palestinians need.

For those talking about "freedom of speech" etc., those niceties don't exist at passport control checkpoints, neither in Israel nor in the US or EU.

Re:Conveniently forgetting the details (1)

whiting (163605) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455894)

That makes sense as to why they would target her for questioning, but shooting her laptop was very ineffective. It looks like the actions of the TSA. Lots of show but not terribly effective.

Re:Conveniently forgetting the details (1)

amRadioHed (463061) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455908)

So? What relevance does any of that have?

Piss on Israel (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30455498)

Piss on Israel. Bunch of thugs

NUTS! (1)

b4upoo (166390) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455504)

Give idiots power and they act up every time. Those soldiers belong in prison.

Unfortunate. (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30455520)

But this is what happens if you don't set up partitions properly.

Backup! (5, Insightful)

Jojoba86 (1496883) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455524)

What.all my client case notes and testimony, writing, pictures, music and applications. Years of work. NO!!!! What?? Are you insane?? What were you thinking? THAT’S ALL MY WORK!?

What? There are a million and one things that could happen to a nice shiny laptop while travelling, if your data is that important it's pretty stupid not to backup, especially before travelling.

Re:Backup! (2, Insightful)

Savage-Rabbit (308260) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455840)

What? There are a million and one things that could happen to a nice shiny laptop while travelling, if your data is that important it's pretty stupid not to backup, especially before travelling.

I work while traveling so backing up before embarking on a lengthy trip is of limited value. If you are on the road you have three options for backup: You can use an external HD which you have to carry with you and while traveling and which these paranoid guards would have put another three bullets through so although that's a valid option it's no good in a situation like this. Also keep in mind that your backup HD stands a good chance of getting stolen right along with the rest of your luggage. The second option is cloud storage which can't be easy to access when you are on the road in war-torn palestine even if you have a GSM connector. It's a quite expensive option to use if you do manage to get a connection and if your data goes over a few megabytes (let's say you're a photographer) it's a totally impractical. You could also store your stuff on a flash drive or memory cards which is better than an external HD since you'd be likely to carry that in your pocket which makes it less likely to get lost when your luggage is misplaced or stolen. Of course that's assuming those paranoid Israeli border guards don't confiscate your flash storage devices and... oops... accidentally drop them under the tracks of a passing Merkava.

Re:Backup! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30455854)

I don't take my data though borders EVER.

Take my cheap (disposable) laptop with clean OS, VPN, mount network drive, temp folder is scrubbed on shutdown. It's company policy.

Re:Backup! (1)

iSzabo (1392353) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455868)

True, but you might be overlooking that they shot her laptop; that's pretty key.

Also, all her prefs were there. She'll never be able to rearrange the icons. It won't be the same. Nobody backs up the prefs :(

Re:Backup! (2, Insightful)

AbRASiON (589899) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455884)

Do any slashdotters still have the recording of the customers voicemail regarding the lost data on his hard disk? I think it was to Compaq or maybe even Canon (?) it'd be over 10 years old and they replaced his hard disk without telling him and he went proper, proper insane in this voicemail.
I haven't heard it in years, I do recall the line along the lines of "last 4 years of my goddamn fucking life" or something.

Very thoughtful of them (4, Informative)

A12m0v (1315511) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455526)

She will be reimbursed on her shot MacBook.

Hyper-security in Israel (5, Informative)

dushkin (965522) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455530)

Nothing new to me. It even beats American airport security paranoia, I hear.

Here's an outline of the security measures at the train station near my home (minor suburban station with about a train an hour):

Before I enter the station, I see guard dogs, handled by security officers (in their 20s). They're actually a bit cute. Except they have sharp teeth and they're trained to kill etc.

I have to take my bags and put them through an X-ray machine, examined by a clueless security officer. I also have to step through a metal detector in case I have a gun/knife on me (never gets triggered by my belt and house keys)

Then as the train arrives, commuters are instructed not to board it until "security examinations" are finished (even if it's the back-and-forth shuttle train that only has two stops).

All train personnal are armed with a pistol. Including drivers. ... And then a 20 year old soldier walks in carrying an M16 and ammo which he is somehow allowed to because he has a slip of paper and uniform.

Security at its finest!

Re:Hyper-security in Israel (4, Insightful)

furball (2853) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455654)

Security at its finest!

I'll play! When was the last time someone managed to bomb or hijack a plane originating out of Israel? Now how about the US? UK? India? Germany? France? Spin the globe. Pick a random country.

Bonus trivia question: How many aircrafts have been hijacked originating from an Israeli airport in the entire history of Israel?

Re:Hyper-security in Israel (1)

dushkin (965522) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455712)

Hi there,

I'm not sure what you are trying to say here, please clarify for me :P

(I don't mean it out of spite or anything)

Bonus trivia question: How many aircrafts have been hijacked originating from an Israeli airport in the entire history of Israel?

No idea honestly, but that Entebbe incident from the 70s (I think it was) comes to mind, and it originated in TLV (or SDV?). Possibly with a stop in ATH, but my memory's a bit cloudy.

Re:Hyper-security in Israel (3, Insightful)

furball (2853) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455772)

It isn't paranoia if they're out to get you.

Re:Hyper-security in Israel (0, Troll)

linzeal (197905) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455722)

who cares? I would rather have terrorists blowing up trains, planes and automobiles than live in a fucking police state.

Re:Hyper-security in Israel (2, Funny)

dushkin (965522) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455852)

I totally get you, but a lot of people prefer it that way because they're simply freightened.

I'm not saying right or wrong here, but both sides have sound reasons.

Re:Hyper-security in Israel (2, Funny)

Thanshin (1188877) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455794)

I see guard dogs, handled by security officers (in their 20s). They're actually a bit cute. Except they have sharp teeth and they're trained to kill etc.

Are those cute, trained to kill, and sharp teethed officers in their 20s, single?

Re:Hyper-security in Israel (1)

dushkin (965522) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455832)

Yes, and live with their parents. Also, they're furry.

Re:Hyper-security in Israel (1)

furball (2853) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455846)

They also come in a female variety [flickr.com] .

Re:Hyper-security in Israel (1)

dushkin (965522) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455906)

You apparently have a car. ;) The security officers in train stations are employed the station, and are definitely not soldiers.

well duh! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30455532)

who wouldnt want to put three bullets through a Mac?

Re:well duh! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30455632)

who wouldnt want to put three bullets through a Mac?

I hear you dude... I want to do that every time I see one running Windows.

Re:well duh! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30455698)

who wouldnt want to put three bullets through a Mac?

I hear you dude... I want to do that every time I see one running Windows.

Two birds with one stone ... well ok, three stones but still ...

Re:well duh! (2, Funny)

jhoegl (638955) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455702)

Standard internets shots fired
pew pew pew!

Had simply read the instructions (3, Informative)

sciencewatcher (1699186) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455554)

Safety and security procedures in Israel are strict, but effective and generally well applied. Terrorists often send 'innocent' foreigners with equipment across the border to test procedures. They now know what does not work. As far as the woman involved concerned, just reading the leaflets with info available at all embassies and airlines would have prevented her laptop in need of replacement.

Re:Had simply read the instructions (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30455566)

Safety and security procedures in Nazi Germany are strict, but effective and generally well applied. The Jews often send 'innocent' foreigners with equipment across the border to test procedures. They now know what does not work. As far as the woman involved concerned, just reading the leaflets with info available at all embassies and airlines would have prevented her laptop in need of replacement.

Re:Had simply read the instructions (1)

Servaas (1050156) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455674)

What a dumb and twisted example, only Anonymous Coward would write that.

Re:Had simply read the instructions (1)

Ma8thew (861741) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455588)

Are you serious?

Re:Had simply read the instructions (1)

darkeye (199616) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455604)

prevented her - like how?

Re:Had simply read the instructions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30455804)

She basically showed up at the border with every "don't" checked from the list of instructions. If you take a plane from Europe to the US you should read the US border instructions as well, before you book your trip and at least a few weeks before leaving. No chance you even pass the US border if you fail the instructions. Europeans are not used to such procedures.

Am I wrong... (2, Interesting)

Huzzah! (1548443) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455560)

Or would the value of this on Ebay be rather high? Higher than a working model.

Re:Am I wrong... (2, Funny)

Renderer of Evil (604742) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455640)

RARE Collectible IDF SHOT MacBook Pro *** Limited Edition *** (Reserve Not Met)

If I may nitpick (2, Informative)

Sun (104778) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455860)

It was shot by Israeli Police, not the IDF.

Shachar

Re:Am I wrong... (1)

starbugs (1670420) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455714)

Would there be any way of auctioning the laptop without it becoming a political statement?

Well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30455564)

Speed holes... they make the laptop run faster.

Re:Well... (1)

jhoegl (638955) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455658)

Homer Simpson?

Re:Well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30455664)

I am so glad someone got that reference.

Alright, (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30455570)

who's the genius that gave Ballmer that 9mm?

her blog has 2 posts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30455624)

plus a webpage linking to it... evidence other than expensive photos i couldve made myself?

please?

Re:her blog has 2 posts (1)

jhoegl (638955) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455692)

What? Her blog goes back a few months. You know, that little drop down list thingy at the top...
Anonymous Disingenuous Coward of lies, who you workin for?

it's like the middle ages (5, Insightful)

darkeye (199616) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455634)

armed thugs stop the travellers on a regular basis, and demand all sorts of things from them, at gun point. like removing clothing, penetration of clothing (tap search inside pants), stealing items like water bottles and knifes, or destroying property as here. in worst cases they can even enslave you (called arrest and inprisonment now, or rendition)

this is not much different from the middle ages, where bandits would stop travellers, and demand all sorts of things from them at the threat of physical violence. at least, at that time one could prepare and fight back.

Assholes or morons (0, Offtopic)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455642)

Perhaps they shot up the laptop because they didn't like her views and wanted to punish her, in which case they're assholes. Or they thought that the laptop was a bomb, and decided that lugging it out back by themselves and shooting it was the correct make-safe procedure, in which case they're morons. Their pick.

Re:Assholes or morons (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30455776)

Well, usually border guards are idiots. People placed there by being unable to perform other work.

Re:Assholes or morons (1)

calmofthestorm (1344385) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455890)

Also bullies. That said, these guards are in one of the places in the world where someone with a bomb coming through is actually plausible, so I can understand them being a bit jumpy. Still I have a feeling this has more to do with nationalism than it does with doing their jobs.

Mobility problem! (3, Insightful)

zolf13 (941799) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455644)

Clearly, the iMac was not mobile enough comparing to the bullets.

It is obvious she is biased (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30455666)

Based on her current and past posts it is obvious she is anti-israeli. Israel like any country has the right to protect its borders and the security of the state with all means. Trying to harm border guards is not something unheard of there is even a video of a successful attempt running on youtube (www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPyAMSh_yLo) Israel is known to have strict protocols when dealing with suspicious objects (Which includes laptops or any other unattended bags left in any area). I have seen this in action more than once. I.e baggage left accidentally at the bus station will probably get blown up by a bombsquad in a matter of minutes since it has been reported (after the area has been cleared). It's the same in every border in the world. Even laughing about a bomb will get you arrested in most places and probably deported. Don't forget she had arab stickers on her laptop, a picture of a star of david defaced, she has beenliving in Egypt (While it has peaceful relationships with israel , egypt is known to be home for many terrorist cells). The fact is that the laptop was suspicious and got blown up to eliminate a possible threat. Based on Israeli officials she will be reimbursed for the laptop - Hey look on the bright side - she could buy a new MacBook Air

Re:It is obvious she is biased (1)

Arimus (198136) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455800)

Err...

Nope. Blowing up lost property is one thing... and usually involves more than 3 bullet holes. If the laptop had been a supicious device they'd have taken means to safely detonate it not just randomly shoot holes in it which could have unknown effects if it had, infact, been a bomb.

Any bomb squad who operated on the principle, oh I don't like the look of that, lets shoot it abit and see what happens is likely to either a) need new members pretty regularly, or b) several large bags of ammo.

(I know the remote robots used the UK have shotguns but they're more regularly used for gaining access to cars so the robot can stick its camera in better, and for destroying objects a shotgun works alot better than bullets).

Re:It is obvious she is biased (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30455830)

Wouldn't the polite thing at this point simply have been to reject her entry through customs and send her back on her merry way to whereever the hell she just came from?

I mean seriously, given some of the stupid shit you hear about with people going through customs you'd think the border agents would realize they're PROVOKING future responses with actions like this, rather than calmly stating why a person is not being allowed through the border, and what items/procedures they can take part in in the future in order to gain approval.

But as with many forms of law enforcement the provocation is better because it might get them more money next year, thanks to the self induced risks.

The why needs explanation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30455670)

This story does not explain *why* the soldiers thought it necessary to shoot the laptop. Is there a report which explains why they did it? (And let's leave the childishly unfunny attempts at humor some other posters are posting in the other threads.) I can't access haaretz website today.

So, why did they do it? There are plenty of other people on here living in Israel. Surely the why part has been properly reported somewhere. Can somebody who knows please pass on the reported reason(s) for the soldiers' action? Why would shooting a laptop in this context be something the soldiers are expected to do? Why would destroying it be better than analyzing it (if there were some reason to be suspicious of it)? Why, if they had no reason to be suspicious of it, would they shoot it, thus creating a reason for the woman to sue for damages?

warranty? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30455680)

So, does this void the warranty?
I'd like to see the look on the apple repair tech when she hands it to them :p

Problem:
[ ] Faulty RAM
[ ] Burnt Screen
[ ] Faulty CPU
[X] Bullet holes

That photo of her MacBook... (1)

acey72 (716552) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455682)

...with three bullets holes in it would give Steve Balmer a chubby.

Re:That photo of her MacBook... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30455730)

Forget Balmer, it would give Steve Jobs a chubby because there is nothing he hates more than last year's Apple products.

vista (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30455684)

yeah, the Vista UAC can get a bit annoying :P

If it had been a Thinkpad... (5, Funny)

mirix (1649853) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455704)

The bullets would have bounced off. But it does figure that angsty types would have an apple product.

All hail (1)

aaptel (1574041) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455744)

All hail to the Sussman [wikipedia.org] !

Priorities (5, Funny)

SkunkPussy (85271) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455814)

On other news websites, "Thankfully, noone was killed". On Slashdot, "All three bullets missed the hard disc".

Its not an easy place to cross (5, Informative)

JenniP (824070) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455834)

I've crossed into Israel at this particular border point, around 5 years ago, and yes it was one of the hardest border crossings I've ever done, we were part of a tourist party who were going to be in Israel for around 30 minutes (a quick drive through Elat then out into Jordan), and its not somewhere I would take anything bigger than a camera I would even if I could empty the card before I went through. Everything was Xrayed, the metal detectors were so sensitive every scrap of metal was detected, a few people having to remove jeans with quite a few studs, your personal property was swabbed and checked for explosives and then once through there you were grilled about your personal details at passport control, quite a few people getting long grillings. All under the watch of guys with automatic weapons. It wasn't a place you made any kind of joke, you do exactly as you are told. At the time I though it was overkill then a week later this happened http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Sinai_bombings [wikipedia.org] , a terrorist attack aimed at the Israelis pretty much at that border point (although on the Egyptian side), kind of puts it all into perspective. Saying that since that border crossing, I am a lot more careful what I take with me, laptops and cameras fully backed up, and only take essentials, even bought a travel laptop so my main machine would stay safe at home. Everything electrical packed into one easy to search bag. Jen

Stupid bitch (4, Insightful)

soundguy (415780) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455848)

You have to be pretty goddamn stupid to fly into a fanatical military state like Israel from a Muslim country with a laptop covered in Arabic stickers. What's the next leg of her journey? From Israel to Iran wearing a star of David and demanding a kosher meal?

Is this worse ... (1)

treuf (99331) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455874)

Is this worse than US borders seizures ?

US border patrols can confiscate your electronic devices (computer, ipod, etc ...) according to their judgement, with or without reason.
They can hold it as long as they need (great if you are a business traveler, I suppose they can get intelligence on some businesses that way) and should give it back to you if nothing is found (sorta) - someday ...

Not sure what the fuss is about (5, Insightful)

Sun (104778) | more than 4 years ago | (#30455896)

Admittedly, it does not sound as if shooting the laptop (and the display, of all things) was necessary, or even helpful. Having said that, the Israeli procedure seem to be:

Our procedures are strict, but we try to apply them fairly. They HAVE saved life before. We do get it wrong occasionally, and then your property may get hurt. When it does, we apologize and reimburse you

Contrast and compare that with the US customs, which says:

Our procedures are arbitrary, and we do not commit to any specific policy. Most people go by unmolested, but if we do decide to molest you, there is nothing you can do about. Deal with it. If we took away your possessions, you will never see them again

Even on sheer "friendliness", I'm not sure which I prefer.

Shachar

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