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Android Users Aren't As Disloyal As Reported

kdawson posted about 4 years ago | from the ask-the-right-question dept.

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ergo98 writes "As we discussed recently, a CNN article had a statement that '77% of iPhone owners say they'll buy another iPhone, compared to 20% of Android customers who say they'll buy another Android phone.' This was a gross misrepresentation. The CNN story now has up this note: 'Correction: An earlier version of this story incorrectly said that 20% of Android customers say they'll buy another Android phone. The survey actually revealed that 20% of all smartphone customers say they'll buy an Android phone.' The Yankee Group has further sought to clarify the situation by saying that the 20% are people who explicitly said they would buy a 'Google-branded' phone (which excludes the overwhelming majority of popular Android phones) — as Google gets out of the business of selling branded phones. Summarizing their position on Android: 'Yankee Group still believes that Android will become the next breakout mobile phone platform, making it the third most popular platform behind iPhone and RIM's Blackberry in installed base for at least the next five years.'"

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246 comments

Apple is dishonest (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33038286)

Now this is news!

Statistics (0)

sexconker (1179573) | about 4 years ago | (#33038288)

About as accurate as this fist prose.

Re:Statistics (1)

semiotec (948062) | about 4 years ago | (#33038534)

Not sure about accuracy, but it's certainly useless. The article now says:

The iPhone is also the gift that keeps on giving: 77% of iPhone owners say they'll buy another iPhone, compared to 20% of smartphone customers who say they'll buy an Android phone.

How does one compare these statistics?

Re:Statistics (4, Interesting)

shaitand (626655) | about 4 years ago | (#33039226)

Simple, the article is written by an Apple fanboi who is trying to find some way to skew things in Apple's favor.

Apple has 28% of the smartphone market, Android has 9%. 20% of ALL smartphone users say they are going to buy Android for their next phone. In other words, even if 100% of iPhone owners were saying they'd buy another IPhone the numbers indicate Android will soon overtake the IPhone in marketshare.

But they don't, only 77% say they intend to stick with the IPhone, indicating that while android should rise to 29% apple will drop from 28%.

Apple press statements lie about competition (0, Troll)

mjwx (966435) | about 4 years ago | (#33038686)

Apple press statements lie about competition.

I'm shocked I tell you, absolutely shocked. Who would have thought.

Confirmation Bias? (4, Interesting)

recoiledsnake (879048) | about 4 years ago | (#33038320)

Someone here got accused of confirmation bias for doubting the study.

by gyrogeerloose (849181)
Alter Relationship
on Saturday July 24, @06:08PM (#33016628)

Who did they ask? People inside of Apple's campus.. You've got to be kidding me.

Got to love it--some research challenges your preconceived notions so, of course, the only thing to do is reconsider said notions, right?

Wrong. Better to disparage the research than admit they might have been incorrect.

Come on, parent is not a troll. (Score:3, Insightful)
by Abcd1234 (188840)
Alter Relationship
on Saturday July 24, @06:17PM (#33016700) Homepage

In fact, he nailed it spot on. The GP doesn't like the conclusions of the study, so he just assumes the study or the researchers are wrong. It's an excellent illustration of confirmation bias (or, in this case, its inverse).

Maybe it was actually confirmation bias from the said Apple fan, that Android was so disliked and hence he got taken in by the false report?

Re:Confirmation Bias? (1, Funny)

OverlordQ (264228) | about 4 years ago | (#33038408)

Maybe it was actually confirmation bias from the said Apple fan, that Android was so disliked and hence he got taken in by the false report?

An apple fan . . . admit they're wrong about Apple being the greatest thing since sliced bread? What weird world did you come from.

Re:Confirmation Bias? (3, Interesting)

therealobsideus (1610557) | about 4 years ago | (#33038516)

Maybe it was actually confirmation bias from the said Apple fan, that Android was so disliked and hence he got taken in by the false report?

An apple fan . . . admit they're wrong about Apple being the greatest thing since sliced bread? What weird world did you come from.

I'm an Apple fan, yet I have no problem admitting when they are wrong and their product shortcomings.

Re:Confirmation Bias? (0, Flamebait)

shaitand (626655) | about 4 years ago | (#33039244)

That is a meaningless statement without actually making such an admission.

Re:Confirmation Bias? (0, Flamebait)

pieisgood (841871) | about 4 years ago | (#33038426)

Come on, these are apple fans we're talking about.

*duck*

Re:Confirmation Bias? (3, Insightful)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | about 4 years ago | (#33038442)

Maybe it was actually confirmation bias from the said Apple fan, that Android was so disliked and hence he got taken in by the false report?

Why does this have to be an 'either/or' question? We all know surveys like this don't really provide an actual usable data.

Re:Confirmation Bias? (2, Funny)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | about 4 years ago | (#33039216)

Why does this have to be an 'either/or' question? We all know surveys like this don't really provide an actual usable data.

Actually, 77% of these surveys don't really provide usable data. 20% want to be an Android survey.

Re:Confirmation Bias? (5, Insightful)

MintOreo (1849326) | about 4 years ago | (#33038478)

Woo, my confirmation bias tells me your incredulity is confirmation bias.

In my experience people who bemoan others for 'preconceived notions' are most often the ones truly guilty of it. Similarly, to be 'open-minded' has simply come to mean 'alternately' or 'unconventionally' 'minded'. Sad world we live in where cultural-mental 'progress' is merely a shift and all the same problems exist; but I've gotten off topic.

Re:Confirmation Bias? (1, Troll)

Sancho (17056) | about 4 years ago | (#33039082)

I went from an iPhone 3G to a Nexus One, which I returned due to poor reception when holding the device. http://gdgt.com/discuss/nexus-one-has-cell-antennas-on-the-6sn/ [gdgt.com]

I then got a Droid, which was the next best Android phone at the time. When my contract is up, I'll probably switch back to the iPhone unless significant improvements have been made to Android by then. Android has a very Linuxy mindset--it can do just about anything you want, but the user experience is very poor. Compare to the iPhone, which does slightly less in practice (for me at least, the only thing the iPhone doesn't do is tether) but is more or less a joy to use.

18 months is a long time in phones these days, so who knows what the future will bring. But for myself, for now, I wish I had stuck with Apple.

Re:Confirmation Bias? (1)

shaitand (626655) | about 4 years ago | (#33039286)

I haven't had an IPhone, AT&T offered me one for $15 but I declined. I didn't have a smartphone but I'm not the sort who is usually a light data user and AT&T dropped their unlimited plan. Also they offer no insurance on the IPhone. Also they can't waive upgrade and early termination fees on the IPhone under even extenuating circumstance.

But anyway, I've found the android pretty easy and pleasant to use. To see any Linux you actually have to get a third party utility to open a shell.

The only complaint I have is the App store. There is a big delay after I select something before it downloads and then it usually downloads slowly even when using the phone on wifi.

What is up with that? The typical app is smaller than a multimedia laden webpage, since when does google have no bandwidth?

Push Poll (2, Insightful)

TheMeuge (645043) | about 4 years ago | (#33038528)

This is a marketing strategy known as the Push Poll (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push_poll).

You ask the questions in such a way as to get the answer you want.

Re:Push Poll (1)

Sancho (17056) | about 4 years ago | (#33039128)

That's not really how the article describes push polling, which is more of a way of campaigning (or mudslinging) than a method of polling. Push polling is a way to get the people you poll to think something is true. This is more of a manipulation of the poll in order to get the results you want so that the rest of the world thinks that your outcome is true.

Re:Confirmation Bias? (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | about 4 years ago | (#33038608)

In fact, he nailed it spot on. The GP doesn't like the conclusions of the study, so he just assumes the study or the researchers are wrong. It's an excellent illustration of confirmation bias (or, in this case, its inverse).

Maybe it was actually confirmation bias from the said Apple fan, that Android was so disliked and hence he got taken in by the false report?

Or maybe gyrogeerloose's reaction of "This poll result can't be right because I don't believe it" was an illogical one even though it was ultimately correct.

Re:Confirmation Bias? (1)

hedwards (940851) | about 4 years ago | (#33038888)

Often times if it smells there's something wrong. It doesn't apply to genuine fanbois, but frequently when a study seems incredible it's because the study was done incorrectly. Which is easy to do a minor shift in wording can get an entirely different result. In this case I doubt very much that Android users are that unloyal, it's just kind of hard to know since it's still in development and isn't as well defined as what an iPhone is.

Re:Confirmation Bias? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33039060)

But that wasn't it.

It was more like "this report can't be right because it contradicts all other available data [battellemedia.com] "

Which is anything but illogical.

Re:Confirmation Bias? (0, Troll)

semiotec (948062) | about 4 years ago | (#33038650)

Maybe it was actually confirmation bias from the said Apple fan, that Android was so disliked and hence he got taken in by the false report?

Nah, no way! Apple fans are the most objective and unprejudiced technology connoisseurs, they would never be "taken in" by any reports or studies unless it has been independently verified by Steve Jobs.

Meanwhile Off In Reality (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33038690)

Android continues to have explosive growth doubling its marketshare every quarter for the past year or so.

Android is selling some 160,000 news phones a day.

Android is on track to sell 50-60 million phones worldwide this year alone. Most likely higher since the sales rate is accelerating at a tremendous rate.

Apple's old iPhones continue to lose marketshare like they have been for the past two quarters.

The iPhone 4 is a defective piece of junk with a laughably outdated OS.

Re:Meanwhile Off In Reality (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33038708)

"The iPhone 4 is a defective piece of junk with a laughably outdated OS."

You can change the wallpaper with iOS 4. Take that Google!

Aww, Poor Liddle iFags Feelings Hurt (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33039280)

Still crying in each other arms at Starbucks over what a piece of shit the iPhone 4 is?

Re:Meanwhile Off In Reality (1, Interesting)

shaitand (626655) | about 4 years ago | (#33039310)

Not a troll, these are relevant facts and on topic with regard to the story.

A lot of heavy handed Apple modding in the comments on this one. Looks like some people weren't happy to lose their rosy picture.

Re:Confirmation Bias? (1)

TheVelvetFlamebait (986083) | about 4 years ago | (#33038720)

Just because you were vindicated in hindsight doesn't mean they didn't have a point. Did your doubt of the announced conclusion of the study arise from examining the study itself and its methodology, or at least a track record of bad reporting by the reporter? Or was it based on the (announced) conclusions, and a refusal to believe them?

Re:Confirmation Bias? (1)

blair1q (305137) | about 4 years ago | (#33038938)

Well, no, this is how thinking works.

Something comes up from the back of your brain to the middle, and the middle says "yeah that's right" or "wait a second, that can't be right" and if it thinks it's right the front of your brain makes it come out your face.

In the hive-mind we do the same thing, only journalists are the back of the brain and the rest of us are the middle and there is no real front. So there's lots of uncoordinated data coming from the back and we're in the middle judging its quality and it pretty much just recirculates, with each of us collecting his own little satchel of things that made sense as they flew past.

And then someone does a survey and cocks up the binning and a lot of the middle doesn't know what is right or wrong any more, but buys an iPhone because that's all the article was purposed to tell them to do, even after the correction was made.

Turn the numbers upside down... (2, Funny)

linatux (63153) | about 4 years ago | (#33038952)

12% of iPhone owners have been put off smartphones altogether, another 11% want a smartphone but not from Apple. 2% would consider a Windows phone!!
(The Android numbers are so messed up they aren't even worth taking notice of).

Re:Confirmation Bias? (1)

phantomfive (622387) | about 4 years ago | (#33039058)

The original comment here [slashdot.org] .....says absolutely nothing other than, "I don't like the results of the study and so I think it's false." If he had given any evidence at all, any at all, for why he believed that way, you might argue that it wasn't confirmation bias. If he had even given commentary, like this guy [slashdot.org] , he wouldn't have been accused of confirmation bias (and that guy got modded up).

The fact is, if all you have to say is "I don't like the results of this study" then how can you say it's not confirmation bias? He didn't even say which part he didn't like.

But hey, moderation is still open on that story, so if anyone wants to abuse their mod points by modding that guy up, go ahead. Watch out for metamods though, that comment is danger.

I sense a disturbance in the force (2, Funny)

GrumpySteen (1250194) | about 4 years ago | (#33038322)

It's as if millions of fanboys suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced

Re:I sense a disturbance in the force (4, Insightful)

interkin3tic (1469267) | about 4 years ago | (#33038618)

It's as if millions of fanboys suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced

and replaced by the cries of millions of opposing fanboys.

Re:I sense a disturbance in the force (1)

Culture20 (968837) | about 4 years ago | (#33038856)

It's as if millions of fanboys suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced

Nothing silences a fanboy.

Except Chuck Norris.

Re:I sense a disturbance in the force (1)

JohnBailey (1092697) | about 4 years ago | (#33039262)

It's as if millions of fanboys suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced

Come on.. Like that could ever happen..

What an Idiotic Blunder (5, Insightful)

ceraphis (1611217) | about 4 years ago | (#33038328)

Not only did I not trust Yankee Group's numbers before, but now I realize they asked an ignorant question about "google branded" phones? What the hell sense does that have in a comparison between iPhones and Android phones? I'll be sure to consider immediately discarding any statistics released by "Yankee Group" in the future, because they could have just "accidentally" forgot to mention some important detail. Ridiculous.

Re:What an Idiotic Blunder (2, Interesting)

DriedClexler (814907) | about 4 years ago | (#33038412)

Some non-nexus phones are google branded. For example, I have a samsung moment, and it says "Google" on the outside in permanent lettering. So some android phones are additionally google branded

Still, it's pretty stupid to equate android with google branding.

Re:What an Idiotic Blunder (2, Informative)

Em Ellel (523581) | about 4 years ago | (#33039094)

Some non-nexus phones are google branded. For example, I have a samsung moment, and it says "Google" on the outside in permanent lettering. So some android phones are additionally google branded

Still, it's pretty stupid to equate android with google branding.

If you read the links, "Google Branded" only includes phones manufactured under Google name (i.e. Nexus One) - does not include the "Google Inside" stickers on some Android phones. They only collected data on manufacturer name of the phone, not os - so they have no idea on Android stats as same manufacturers would manufacture non-Android phones.

-Em

Re:What an Idiotic Blunder (3, Interesting)

OverlordQ (264228) | about 4 years ago | (#33038456)

I'll be sure to consider immediately discarding any statistics released by "Yankee Group" in the future, because they could have just "accidentally" forgot to mention some important detail. Ridiculous.

It's not their fault CNN Money fails at reading comprehension and cannot gist data correctly.

Re:What an Idiotic Blunder (1)

Em Ellel (523581) | about 4 years ago | (#33038576)

Not only did I not trust Yankee Group's numbers before, but now I realize they asked an ignorant question about "google branded" phones? What the hell sense does that have in a comparison between iPhones and Android phones? I'll be sure to consider immediately discarding any statistics released by "Yankee Group" in the future, because they could have just "accidentally" forgot to mention some important detail. Ridiculous.

At least they are honest. From the Yankee Group's Blog (linked in story above):

So what is the right statistic for Android owners? The honest answer is that we don’t know.

Its not like they are selling statistics.... oh, wait....

Re:What an Idiotic Blunder (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33038828)

Idiotic? I would buy a true android phone with up to date specs. No way in hell am I buying an andoid phone with some garbage UI added on by the hardware company, or crapware pre-loaded. The only problem? It does not exist.

Re:What an Idiotic Blunder (1, Insightful)

roc97007 (608802) | about 4 years ago | (#33039156)

Re: Google branded; People fully immersed in a traditional closed-architecture business model may have trouble wrapping their brains around Android.

The i-phone is a device created by a manufacturer. It has a gui and an app store and a bazillion apps and these things only run on the device from this manufacturer. Sales of the device are easy to track -- Apple sells a certain number of phones, and that is the sum total of i-phones sold.

Android is not a device. Trivially it's an operating system, but it's also a set of expectations -- app store, gui, and so forth. To compare the two, you have to agree about what you're comparing. If you're comparing Apple's phone with Google's phone, Apple has sold a crapload more phones than Google. Hands down, end of story.

If you're comparing phones running Apple's OS with Google's OS, the numbers change but things get murky. What do you compare the 4G to? Android 2.1? 2.2? If a phone runs the Android OS but has a GUI customized by the vendor, does it count?

How many Android users know what they're using? (3, Insightful)

Kenja (541830) | about 4 years ago | (#33038334)

I know a number of people who have "that cool phone" or "the phone I saw on that tv show". They dont know its Android since thats not really a brand name. This is expounded by how different the UI elements are on different brands Android phones. HTC looks quite different from Motorola (stupid moto-blur) and so on. Some manufacturers are even rebranding Google funconality, see the "Genius Button".

Re:How many Android users know what they're using? (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | about 4 years ago | (#33038420)

Exactly. With the exception of Verizon, the other 3 major carriers have done a pretty poor job of branding their Android phones. AT&T's branding is nearly non-existent (look at the commercials for the Backflip and the HTC Aria could be a Windows Mobile phone from the screenshots they show...)

Re:How many Android users know what they're using? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33038438)

To be clear, not all Motorola devices are moto-blur phones. I have the original Motorola Droid which is a Google Experience phone (meaning it is stock Android, no sneaky changes and carries Google branding on the device along with Motorola and Verizon logos). My wife has an HTC Aria on AT&T which is a Sense UI phone. I have to admit I like some of the features that Sense UI adds like easy sending of contacts via a VCard in an MMS. However, it can sometimes be confusing since "contacts" is renamed to "people" (funny, some of my contacts are businesses and schools not always people) and a "contact" to a "person". However in some places in the UI it still says "contact" which is a bit confusing since you were just editing a "person" and it is now a "contact". Overall the Sense UI seems nice and I wouldn't mind seeing it on my Droid as well. I've never even seen (first hand; I have seen screen shots) Moto-blur though even though I have a Motorola phone.

Re:How many Android users know what they're using? (1)

Kenja (541830) | about 4 years ago | (#33038464)

I have a Droid as well, great phone. Thats not the point, the point is that if you get (for example) the backflip by Motorola for AT&T it really doesn't look much like an "Android" phone. It looks like some funky Motorola specific interface. Hell, AT&T even replaced all links to Google search etc with Yahoo. I dont think it says "Google" anywhere in the device.

Re:How many Android users know what they're using? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 4 years ago | (#33038910)

Contacts turned to people also breaks a lot of third party apps.

Re:How many Android users know what they're using? (2, Interesting)

16K Ram Pack (690082) | about 4 years ago | (#33038446)

In the UK, the phone shops are now mentioning that phones are Android.

Re:How many Android users know what they're using? (4, Interesting)

Kenja (541830) | about 4 years ago | (#33038492)

And in the UK "Android" phone sales are up 300%. [guardian.co.uk]

Re:How many Android users know what they're using? (1)

Skuld-Chan (302449) | about 4 years ago | (#33038664)

Well maybe "google phone" is the right phrase - since most of them have the Google logo on them (on the back).

Re:How many Android users know what they're using? (1)

Hadlock (143607) | about 4 years ago | (#33038974)

I doubt many people (i.e. "consumers") make the connection between the whole dark and stormy "Droid Does" marketing campaign and the light and airy green Android robot mascot.

Wow. Just wow. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33038360)

So it wasn't fabricated stats, it was just a hilariously bad game of telephone. Not sure which is more disturbing...

Either way, what's the outcome for people who saw the original report and didn't instinctively know it was bogus? Most of them will never see even the CNN "correction", much less the truth. Sucks to be them, and I guess if it wasn't this, they'd be believing some other bogus claim; but still, the Android phone manufacturers should sue them -- such sloppiness won't go away unless/until it costs them money.

I can see the typical smartphone user now... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33038364)

Why would I want an Android phone? I'm perfectly happy with my Evo!

Perhaps Yankee aren't all that good at math, but current trending shows the Android marketshare surpassing the iPhone maybe in the next 12-18 months (being conservative). There's a decent chance that they'll start digging into RIM more than iPhone to allow for a RIM > iPhone > Android scenario, but unless BBOS 6.0 is fantastic (and the early browser demo is promising) and they start attracting app developers I can see Android at the #1 spot in five years pretty easily.

Re:I can see the typical smartphone user now... (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 4 years ago | (#33038922)

Even funnier is that all the majors are using or will be using a unix-like OS on their phones. BBOS6 is qnx. MS might own the desktop, but they have a heck of fight in the server space and in the phone/tablet space. Balmer even made a DEC like "were not worried we have the business" statement not to long ago.

WTF (1)

oldhack (1037484) | about 4 years ago | (#33038376)

Another post that makes feel dumber after having scanned the headline. Why are they keep posting gossipy bullshit "stories" like this?

Damage is already done (1, Insightful)

shaitand (626655) | about 4 years ago | (#33038410)

AT&T and Apple couldn't have bought better advertising.

Even the original statement, 20% of android users are going to get a new phone vs 77% of apple users being happy was biased reporting. If reported in an unbiased manner that would be 80% happy android users vs 77% Apple or 20% unhappy vs 23%, etc. Both would be the positive or the negative.

Note: As a mildly respected member of the Slashdot community I didn't RTFA just TFS so the article may not have been biased at all.

Re:Damage is already done (1, Interesting)

semiotec (948062) | about 4 years ago | (#33038718)

So let's play some numbers game.

According to Nielsen [nielsen.com] , Android market share in 2010 Q1 was 9%.

If 20% of the overall smartphone market wants to buy an Android phone next, then it means that:

20/9 = 222% of Android users will buy another Android phone!

Take that, Apple! Your 77% is nothing!

p.s. no, I don't believe in any way that this is correct way of looking at these numbers.

Re:Damage is already done (1)

shaitand (626655) | about 4 years ago | (#33038786)

That's 77% of apple users, not 77% of the market. That was 20% of the market buying androids (or 'google brand phone') so these numbers do indicate an increase in android market share.

Re:Damage is already done (1)

Em Ellel (523581) | about 4 years ago | (#33039034)

That's 77% of apple users, not 77% of the market. That was 20% of the market buying androids (or 'google brand phone') so these numbers do indicate an increase in android market share.

Its 20% of ALL users with smartphones (including iPhones) say they would buy an Android phone next. The comparable number for that from same study is 34% of all users with smarphones (including iPhones) would buy iPhone (if you do math, that means 12% of non-Apple smartphone users). From same study 77% of iPhone users would buy another iPhone, while 32% of Google Brand phone users (meaning pretty much G1 or NexusOne only, not Android in general) would buy another Google Branded phone( which is insane, considering Google already exited the market, so their only option would be another NexusOne??)

-Em

New Math - more will switch AWAY from iPhone.... (1)

Em Ellel (523581) | about 4 years ago | (#33038886)

So let's play some numbers game.

According to Nielsen [nielsen.com] , Android market share in 2010 Q1 was 9%.

If 20% of the overall smartphone market wants to buy an Android phone next, then it means that:

20/9 = 222% of Android users will buy another Android phone!

Take that, Apple! Your 77% is nothing!

p.s. no, I don't believe in any way that this is correct way of looking at these numbers.

It is at least as "correct" as their way. But if you read carefully, they include the iPhone users in the "smartphone" category. Two can play this game -- we can do some "math" too.

Assuming iPhone in the study is represented roughly same as the market share (28%), this would really skew the numbers in its favor. Lets un-skew. This means that of 34% Smartphone users that would buy iPhone as their next phone, 22% (28%*0.77) are already iPhone users - meaning that only 12% (34%-22%) of the users would switch to iPhone from another Smartphone while 23% (100%-77%) of existing iPhone users that would switch away from iPhone.

So, the real story - almost twice as many people would switch away from iPhone as would switch to it. ;-)

-Em

Re:Damage is already done (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33038832)

Well, I'm not sure how you got that out of TFS, but from TFA, it's a lot simpler:

20% of "google-branded phone" users plan to buy an Android phone.
77% of iPhone users plan to buy an iPhone.

IIRC, 34% of "google-branded phone" users plan to buy an iPhone, FWIW.

Note that these stats are pre-iPhone4, but it's not clear (and I didn't do any digging to find out) whether this was before or after the barphone prototype was publicized. The presence of a new generation of iPhone with (this is important) the highest resolution display available could well be responsible for the spike in iPhone interest among all users.

Re:Damage is already done (1)

shaitand (626655) | about 4 years ago | (#33039152)

"Correction: An earlier version of this story incorrectly said that 20% of Android customers say they'll buy another Android phone. The survey actually revealed that 20% of all smartphone customers say they'll buy an Android phone.' The Yankee Group has further sought to clarify the situation by saying that the 20% are people who explicitly said they would buy a 'Google-branded' phone"

Now I have to read TFA. Your reading sounds the same as the uncorrected story... which would support my assertion that the damage is already done. ;)

Re:Damage is already done (1)

Em Ellel (523581) | about 4 years ago | (#33039188)

Well, I'm not sure how you got that out of TFS, but from TFA, it's a lot simpler:

20% of "google-branded phone" users plan to buy an Android phone.
77% of iPhone users plan to buy an iPhone.

IIRC, 34% of "google-branded phone" users plan to buy an iPhone, FWIW.

Note that these stats are pre-iPhone4, but it's not clear (and I didn't do any digging to find out) whether this was before or after the barphone prototype was publicized. The presence of a new generation of iPhone with (this is important) the highest resolution display available could well be responsible for the spike in iPhone interest among all users.

Guess its not as simple as you thought. Actual stats they are claiming them now are:

  20% of ALL smartphone users would buy Android,
  34% of ALL smartphone users would buy iPhone,

  77% of iPhone users would buy another iPhone , and
  32% of users of phones manufactured by "Google" (NexusOne) users would buy another phone manufactured by "Google" (not same thing as Android or "with Google" labeled phone !!!)

Hope this helps people to understand this mess of misinformation.

-Em

Re:Damage is already done (1)

shaitand (626655) | about 4 years ago | (#33039178)

Offtopic?

iPhone will lose (1)

Jackie_Chan_Fan (730745) | about 4 years ago | (#33038414)

The iPhone will lose if Apple continues to treat customers the way it currently does.

Re:iPhone will lose (4, Insightful)

Nerdfest (867930) | about 4 years ago | (#33038880)

I'd like to think that as well, but they do seem to enjoy it.

Good news! (1)

Andy Smith (55346) | about 4 years ago | (#33038430)

Since putting my 'proper' job on hold I've clocked up around 2 months of 16-hour days working on my first Android game, with roughly a month to go, so it would be great if the whole world would buy Android phones please!

Oh and if everyone could also start pining for a retro-style vertically-scrolling shoot-em-up then that would be great too :-)

Re:Good news! (1)

beakerMeep (716990) | about 4 years ago | (#33038700)

Bookmarked your blog to give it a test spin when it comes out

My wife likes her HTC Magic (3, Interesting)

MichaelSmith (789609) | about 4 years ago | (#33038448)

In fact it is the only technological device she doesn't constantly complain about. The way it is going she will get a new phone of the same type when this one comes off contract.

Re:My wife likes her HTC Magic (1)

IrquiM (471313) | about 4 years ago | (#33038646)

And a friend of mine tells me she "want's that iPhone you have!", which is a HTC Desire.

Re:My wife likes her HTC Magic (1)

gencha (1020671) | about 4 years ago | (#33039130)

I actually like the idea. Maybe we should call all cellphones iPhone.

A: "What iPhone do you have?"
B: "Oh, I have the Apple one."

Another phone? (2, Funny)

Hatta (162192) | about 4 years ago | (#33038458)

Why would you need two phones?

Re:Another phone? (3, Informative)

unix1 (1667411) | about 4 years ago | (#33039006)

As a backup [notebooks.com] ?

It's still looks pretty bad...but it's not. (4, Insightful)

MrCrassic (994046) | about 4 years ago | (#33038506)

A lot of people automatically associate Android with Google because the first line of Android-capable phones (G1, Hero, myTouch3G) were marketed that way. In fact, I think the release of the Droid on Verizon officially put a stop to that trend, but I'm not entirely sure about that. Thus, I'd say that surveying how many are likely to get Google-branded phones is a pretty reasonable indicator of how well Android is doing in the marketplace.

Nonetheless, even though Android doesn't seem to be getting a lot of love lately (or at least according to this survey), the thing to keep in mind is that Android's market presence has become notably stronger since the G1 came out. I honestly think that from a phone perspective, the Nexus One had serious potential to realistically compete with the iPhone (3GS) behemoth, considering that it's similar to the iPhone while offering a completely different, and completely usable, experience at a lower price. It's a shame that Google (and T-Mobile!) didn't promote the phone as actively as they could have; it had TONS of potential. Look at how well the Droid's doing on Verizon! (Yes, the Samsung Galaxy S line is much more feature-rich, but it's a toy. The Nexus One was a statement...and a damned good looking one.)

Let's put it this way: at least it's not just Blackberry and Windows Mobile anymore!

Re:It's still looks pretty bad...but it's not. (1)

Belial6 (794905) | about 4 years ago | (#33038750)

It is a shame that Google isn't going to put out an Nexus 2. Contrary to what most people think, I believe the Nexus One was a great success. Just look at home much press Android 2.2 is getting. Yet, the Nexus One is still the only phone that has it. How long would it take for other phones to get the new OS if there wasn't an existing phone on the market that was running it? The Nexus One may not have taken over the hardware market, but it was an astounding success in advertising, and a huge factor in pushing carriers to offer phones with newer versions of the OS.

Re:It's still looks pretty bad...but it's not. (3, Interesting)

MrCrassic (994046) | about 4 years ago | (#33038924)

It was a great success. Look at the phones that have been released before (Droid, Aria, Espresso, Behold, etc.) and after (Droid X, Galaxy S, EVO) the Nexus One. I won't say that it was directly responsible for the proliferation of seriously powerful and (reasonably) feature-packed devices, but it did push the platform forward just like the G1 did.

I think Google will make another effort down the line. Android seems to be losing its focus, since it's becoming a lot like Windows Mobile in its execution. The ONLY phone shipping the "Google Experience" (i.e. Android as intended, more or less) was the Nexus One, every other phone out there has some sort of skin FORCEFULLY installed on it (HTC Sense, MOTOBLUR, TouchWiz, etc). To further feed the fire, many of those phones have tons of applications that are completely unnecessary and only seem to help the carrier --- COMPLETELY like the carrier-provided smart (and dumb!) phones that came before the smartphone explosion.

Forget the fact that most of these phones are a bit difficult to root/unlock. When a person buys an iPhone, they get software that, in its stock form, is EXACTLY as Apple intended it. It doesn't have Facebook or anything like that pre-installed; the user get the Apple bits right from the beginning, and everything added after that is entirely up to him or her. Not so when you buy Android...and the sad part is that the stock UI is actually quite good! It's not like Windows Mobile where HTC et. al. HAD to put TouchFLO/Sense on top of it because it was fugly compared to everything else out there.

Look at TouchWiz on the Vibrant, for instance. It tries really, really hard to provide an iPhone-like interface in hopes of being easy to use. The only problem is that it's not. They COULD try and provide something 'different' (which a LOT of people would probably appreciate, if it works) like HTC does with Sense, but that would make way too much sense.

Re:It's still looks pretty bad...but it's not. (1)

grayn0de (1301165) | about 4 years ago | (#33039160)

The ONLY phone shipping the "Google Experience" (i.e. Android as intended, more or less) was the Nexus One, every other phone out there has some sort of skin FORCEFULLY installed on it (HTC Sense, MOTOBLUR, TouchWiz, etc).

Not true. The Samsung Moment, though laden with Sprint's 'unremovable system apps' (i.e. NASCAR, NFL, SprintTV, etc) and tweaked for CDMA/EVDO, has a plain vanilla Android ROM on it. It offers much the same Google experience as the G1/DevPhone1 did. The only UI difference between the Moment and the Nexus One is that the N1 has the Advanced Laucher and Live Wallpapers (which have been ported to the Moment by the excellent community of Android device hackers, since day one.)

Re:It's still looks pretty bad...but it's not. (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | about 4 years ago | (#33039170)

everything added after that is entirely up to him or her.

... well, unless it's porn, flash, or anything programmable ... currently.

Re:It's still looks pretty bad...but it's not. (1)

MrCrassic (994046) | about 4 years ago | (#33039204)

Jailbreaking is the solution. It's absurdly easy, but so many are afraid of it.

Strange article (1)

demonbug (309515) | about 4 years ago | (#33038510)

That's the key finding in a survey released this week by Yankee Group, which reports that 73% of iPhone users are very satisfied with AT&T's service.

The satisfaction rate of AT&T subscribers as a whole is 68%, and only 69% of smartphone users say they are satisfied with their mobile provider, Yankee Group found.

So... a whopping 5% (4% if you confine yourself to smartphones, which they rather broadly defined) more iPhone users are satisfied with AT&T than the aggregate of all subscribers? What was the margin of error on this? Why is it a story that a tiny bit more iPhone users are satisfied with their provider than non-iPhone users?

Re:Strange article (2, Interesting)

Snarky McButtface (1542357) | about 4 years ago | (#33039074)

The CNN article only told half the story. [computerworld.com]

Why do these statistics matter? (1)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | about 4 years ago | (#33038530)

Does knowing your particular phone sold more/less/is an iPhone really matter?

Who's keeping score? Why?

All I care about is that there are smart phones on the market that aren't WinMo, BB or Symbian.

Re:Why do these statistics matter? (2, Funny)

Archangel Michael (180766) | about 4 years ago | (#33038604)

Why do these statistics matter?

Statistics matter to the 73.54% of the people who make them up on the spot.

Re:Why do these statistics matter? (1)

Skuld-Chan (302449) | about 4 years ago | (#33038688)

They would matter to you if you were trying to market a new phone.

Re:Why do these statistics matter? (1)

Bing Tsher E (943915) | about 4 years ago | (#33039208)

I can assure you that nobody reading this thread, or commenting on it, is trying to market a new phone.

Well... there are probably a few trolls who have wandered over from apple.slashdot.org, but they're not paid a commission for their posts on this domain, so they're generally quiet here.

Android Users Aren't As Disloyal As Reported (1)

MrKaos (858439) | about 4 years ago | (#33038570)

Maybe they're just a little less *restricted*.

:-)

Sad to see Google bail on the hardware (4, Interesting)

Eponymous Coward (6097) | about 4 years ago | (#33038628)

I really disappointed that Google is going to stop selling handsets. I was waiting for a Nexus Two.

I want a phone that has a pure (plain?) Android experience. I don't want the layers that Motorola and HTC add to differentiate themselves, not to mention all the bloatware. It wouldn't bother me so much if I was able to reformat a phone in the same way I can reformat a Dell or HP machine to clear off all the crap, but as far as I know, I can't.

Re:Sad to see Google bail on the hardware (1)

Drew M. (5831) | about 4 years ago | (#33038830)

Let's see... Google gave all of their employees the G1 for Christmas of 2008, same happened with the Nexus One for Christmas of 2009. Maybe you should check back around Christmas time.

Re:Sad to see Google bail on the hardware (2, Funny)

blair1q (305137) | about 4 years ago | (#33038906)

No dice. This year they're all getting turkeys.

Re:Sad to see Google bail on the hardware (1)

Kryptonut (1006779) | about 4 years ago | (#33038990)

Windows 7 Phone?

Re:Sad to see Google bail on the hardware (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 4 years ago | (#33039052)

No dice. This year they're all getting turkeys.

I think he was talking about Google, not Microsoft [pcmag.com] .

Re:Sad to see Google bail on the hardware (2, Funny)

daemonc (145175) | about 4 years ago | (#33038954)

Personally, I was waiting for the Nexus 6 model... it's seen things you people wouldn't believe.

Re:Sad to see Google bail on the hardware (1)

CryptDemon (1772622) | about 4 years ago | (#33039118)

But does it pass the empathy test?

Re:Sad to see Google bail on the hardware (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33039348)

It wouldn't bother me so much if I was able to reformat a phone in the same way I can reformat a Dell or HP machine to clear off all the crap, but as far as I know, I can't.

you need to know more.

google android custom rom

not quite as easy but not difficult.

Summary of correction misleading (0, Flamebait)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 4 years ago | (#33038638)

The Yankee Group has further sought to clarify the situation by saying that the 20% are people who explicitly said they would buy a 'Google-branded' phone (which excludes the overwhelming majority of popular Android phones)

No, they did not say that.

In fact what the correction was about was that the people SURVEYED owned "Google-Branded iPhones", the deal was that the HTC and Droid owners may well have a much better satisfaction rate (which I would think to be true given the "Google branded" sampling includes G1 owners).. If there was anything in there specifically asking the people if they would buy Google-branded phones later vs. asking them if they would buy an Android phone - I didn't see it. Also YOU summarized the description as "Google Branded" but the correct phrase (from the article) is "Google Branded Android phone". It seems to be the key word there is in fact Android, I'll bet if you asked the average consumer something like 80% of them would assume the HTC and Droid were "Google Branded Android Phones".

What does seem pretty significant is this:

In fact, 36 percent of Google-branded Android phone owners say they plan to buy an iPhone

So the real question is, what are the group between the 20% and the 36% planning to buy exactly?

Re:Summary of correction misleading (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33038858)

I think you're being optimistic. They typical Android owner only knows that they like their Evo 4G. The high end Android owner recognizes the Nexus One as the only Google Branded Android phone. The mid-range user *may* actually interpret the question as it was intended, but how many of those are there?

Re:Summary of correction misleading (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 4 years ago | (#33038964)

My droid says google on the back, it did run a stock 2.1, and now runs CM6. How much more google branded could it really get?

It is google branded, maybe not google retailed but it does have google on the back.

Re:Summary of correction misleading (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#33038998)

My Motorola-branded Droid X has a little Google sticker in the back that gets covered by the case. Not sure which Google Droid you've got, all the one's I've seen are HTC or Motorola branded.

So tired of phone drama (2, Insightful)

scromp (148280) | about 4 years ago | (#33038658)

Buy whatever phone you like and shut up about it.

Re:So tired of phone drama (1)

roc97007 (608802) | about 4 years ago | (#33039236)

Bravo!

(deep breath) It's JUST a PHONE, people. That felt good.

...unless it's running Winders Mobile. Man, I hated that phone.

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