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Nokia and Microsoft Make Smartphone Alliance

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the enemy-of-my-enemy-is-my-friend dept.

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pbahra writes "The smart money was right. Nokia has jumped into bed with Microsoft and will produce phones running Windows Phone 7. The cynics would say that, here, we have two lumbering dinosaurs of the technology world clinging to each other hoping that the other gives them a future. Optimists would point to two companies that need each other, both bringing vital components to the alliance. The big winner is Microsoft. Windows Phone 7, while reasonably well received by commentators, has not set the world on fire. An alliance with Nokia gives it access to the world's largest phone maker and its huge mindshare — in many developing nations a mobile phone is known as a Nokia. The biggest loser is MeeGo, the ugly, unloved step-child of operating systems." Nokia wrote to developers, "Qt will continue to be the development framework for Symbian and Nokia will use Symbian for further devices; continuing to develop strategic applications in Qt for Symbian platform and encouraging application developers to do the same."

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slow on the uptake slashdot... (-1, Offtopic)

fitteschleiker (742917) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172724)

all the editors must be asleep this has been everywhere else for hours....

Re:slow on the uptake slashdot... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35172852)

all the editors must be asleep this has been everywhere else for hours....

Slashdot submissions are not about beating the news/blog sources to a story, its about creating a decent discussion with some like and not so like peers. There is no reason to rush to be the first to post like some kind of lame FIRST POST FTW! Furthermore if you had looked at the submission you would see some research went into it with no less than 5 different resource pointers. Research isnt instant you know?!

you sir are a douche.


Re:slow on the uptake slashdot... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35172880)

Welcome to Slashdot. You must be new here. Sometimes they'll miss a big story and won't even bother posting it for discussion because it's relevance has diminished by the time they can get to it. Embarrassing, frustrating BUT hand selected submissions does yield some level of quality. Or as they say in Soviet Russia, Beowulf cluster of selection-by-hand-foiling-slashdot story submission bots submits YOU.

PROTIP: Wait for the inevitable dupe of this story to show up, then go troll the people who post similar things like what you just posted. It's fun!

Re:slow on the uptake slashdot... (0)

MikeDirnt69 (1105185) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172994)

/. don't FP

Rest in piece, Nokia (5, Insightful)

Pecisk (688001) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172728)

Enough said.

Re:Rest in piece, Nokia (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35172772)

Oh come on! Micro$nuff will do a great job turning Nokia in killer ZomBies!! I'm grabbing my popcorn already...

Re:Rest in piece, Nokia (1)

Pecisk (688001) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172892)

Well, problem is, those zombies are as "stable" as Microsoft ME release :)

I second this (2)

plaukas pyragely (1630517) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172932)

Bye bye Nokia...

Rest in piece, hacker friendly mobile future (4, Insightful)

quantumphaze (1245466) | more than 3 years ago | (#35173008)

With the IOS concentration camp, Android bootloader lockdown, and Windows Phone 7 copying everything that we hated about IOS it looks like a bleak future for anyone who wants to do cool stuff with their phone beyond the simple apps you get on the common platforms. If Nokia abandons MeeGo with this deal then any hope we have of being able to get new phones with the same freedom as the N900 will be fed to the meat grinder.

Looks like I will have to take great care of my N900. It's the first and last of it's kind.

Re:Rest in piece, hacker friendly mobile future (4, Informative)

bemymonkey (1244086) | more than 3 years ago | (#35173064)

The Android bootloader lockdown? What? Just stop buying Motorola devices and all will be fine... you've still got HTC and Samsung building decent phones with completely open bootloaders.

Re:Rest in piece, hacker friendly mobile future (2)

quantumphaze (1245466) | more than 3 years ago | (#35173168)

But for how long? The N900 activley encouraged users to hack around. There was a fucking xterm in the main menu. With Android you have to first research if the handset has an active community that provide modded images if you want all the fun.

Re:Rest in piece, hacker friendly mobile future (3, Informative)

PseudonymousBraveguy (1857734) | more than 3 years ago | (#35173120)

According to the German Spiegel [spiegel.de] , Alberto Torres [nokia.com] (responsible board member for MeeGo) just left the board. So yeah, MeeGo is basically left for dead.

Re:Rest in piece, hacker friendly mobile future (1)

quantumphaze (1245466) | more than 3 years ago | (#35173236)

It's really depressing. I was looking forward to using a MeeGo handset in a few years once my N900 would start getting old. Please let there be another handset manufacturer who will take up MeeGo or a similar full Linux OS, else my N900 will be the last phone I'll ever have.

Re:Rest in piece, hacker friendly mobile future (4, Informative)

TiberiusMonkey (1603977) | more than 3 years ago | (#35173124)

Apart from Google selling root friendly Android phones, as well as some small independent handset makers selling root friendly Android phones, HTC selling phones that can be rooted with a mouse click and the only actual handset maker to back up your claim of locking down the bootloader that I know of is Motorolla. Also Microsoft is embracing the hacker community over Windows 7 phone thus far. So yeah, other than all those phones.

Re:Rest in piece, hacker friendly mobile future (4, Funny)

Luckyo (1726890) | more than 3 years ago | (#35173148)

I think we all know what "microsoft embrace" is followed by.

Re:Rest in piece, Nokia (2)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 3 years ago | (#35173056)


Attn: Nokia:

Was nice knowing you

Re:Rest in piece, Nokia (3, Informative)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 3 years ago | (#35173072)

Where did my link go? What the hell?

Attn Nokia: Was nice knowing you [wikipedia.org]

RIP Nokia (1)

mpsi (1745762) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172732)

This the prevailing mood of the comments from Nokia users worldwide.

Nokia's last gasp (1)

xMrFishx (1956084) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172740)

Make good of your last breath Nokia, because if you screw this up, you'll be thrown to the sharks. Innovate or die. Lots of competition around to step in now, this ain't 1990.

Re:Nokia's last gasp (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35172804)

Innovate? They also announced cutting R&D budgets and firing employees. Nokia decided to from company that shaped mobile technology for years to mere clerks in MS shop.

Re:Nokia's last gasp (4, Interesting)

PseudonymousBraveguy (1857734) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172898)

Innovate or die.

And according to these charts [engadget.com] , they are starting to innovate by cutting R&D spending.

Nokia, you've come a long way from rubber boots and bicycle tyres to mobile phones. But I fear this is where the story starts to end.

Re:Nokia's last gasp (1)

Threni (635302) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172912)

But they've already screwed up. They had to choose Android or Windows, and they chose Windows. Textbook Nokia. Who's going to want a Nokia phone running Windows? It's not even like they had to chose one or the other! I went Nokia N70 -> HTC Touch Diamond (yeah, Windows!) -> HTC Desire. Can you guess which is the best phone by about a million miles?

Some decisions just don't make any sense no matter which way you look at it.

Re:Nokia's last gasp (1)

SudoGhost (1779150) | more than 3 years ago | (#35173022)

Microsoft likely had more than a little to do with this. They heard that Nokia was looking around for new ideas, and figured this was likely their best shot at making Windows 7 popular (like, for example, in emerging markets). I don't know for sure, but I'd imagine the conversation went something like this: "Alright Nokia, here's what we'll do for you. We'll allow you to put Windows Phone 7 on your devices with no licensing fees whatsoever for the first year. After that, we'll go from there."

Hell, Microsoft might have even offered to pay Nokia in some form or another to use Windows Phone 7 over Android. It's the only reason I can think of to choose Windows Phone 7 instead of Android.

Re:Nokia's last gasp (4, Insightful)

Luckyo (1726890) | more than 3 years ago | (#35173182)

I would offer a different theory:

Imagine you're a theoretical large speculative investor. You talk to microsoft and nokia leaders, through investing money in both. You make a deal where MS shill is hired as a nokia CEO when nokia is ailing, with the ultimate goal of dismantling the company, selling it's devices-making part to MS and putting the rest under hammer.

How much would MS be willing to pay you off for the nokia stock that will allow you to get such shill elected as CEO and essentially save their dead on arrival WP7? I imagine we'd be talking quite a bit of profit. MS benefits from this in every way, nokia will likely get dismantled into pieces and sold off with those behind the deal walking off with hefty profit and execs with their golden parachutes.

Just a theory of course.

asphyxiation (1)

Weezul (52464) | more than 3 years ago | (#35173086)

I've know many die hard Nokia loyalists that've tuck with Symbian phones as iOS and Android surpassed them, as well as many Maemo fans, both Nokia loyalists and new blood. I've never know anyone who actually liked Windows Mobile however. And all these high -end Nokia users are among the least likely WM7 converts. All will now migrate to Android.

You might ask how many new smartphone users Microsoft will bring, well some no doubt. Microsoft has payolaed some good reviews for WM7, but users are not pleased overall. Worse yet, WM7 is little more than a clone of Android/iOS.

Maemo/MeeGo behaves more like a computer than Android, iOS, etc. giving users some advantages over those operating systems. Yes, Maemo/MeeGo were lacking in the development environment and entertainment apps, i.e. games, but Nokia could've easily solved the games issue by creating an Android emulation layer.

For tablets, Maemo is truely the superior when compared with iOS and Android, or the joke on the cloud Chrome OS. I'd imagine that Intels efforts will ensure that MeeGo lives on in the netbook and tablet markets. I cannot however imagine Intel doing the necessary work to bring a good development environment and developers to MeeGo.

Btw, the mefi thread [metafilter.com] offers more relevant links than slashdot.

Re:Nokia's last gasp (1)

bemymonkey (1244086) | more than 3 years ago | (#35173088)

Yup, either they sink and take WinPhone7 with them, or they swim and turn WinPhone7 into a viable competitor for Android and iOS...

Re:Nokia's last gasp (2)

Stevecrox (962208) | more than 3 years ago | (#35173258)

It's depressing, the guy involved with Windows Phone 7 becomes Nokia's CEO and the first thing he does is move Nokia completely onto WP7. Nokia's strategy of moving Symbian onto their feature phones and offering Meego for the Smartphone market made sense.

I could understand Elop when he was complaining about the slow release rate of Nokia's, I would even get on board of a multiple OS strategy (putting out the same phone with different operating systems).

This move annoys me, it's shutting down Ovi, killing off QT and telling any developers not to bother developing for your platform. All so the CEO can have his pet project rolled out.

What's worse is Nokia has always thought long term, his actions (mass firings) are the typical kind of stock market decided actions which are short term and will ultimately lead to a worse phone ecosystem.

WP7 was my fore-runner for my next phone, it isn't any longer. There's no point buying any Meego or Symbian phone because Elop won't have it supported. Guess I'll have to get an andriod phone.


That new CEO... (5, Insightful)

mvdwege (243851) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172754)

Stephen Elop must be the best mole since Kim Philby.

After Sendo en Palm yet another mobile vendor commits suicide-by-Microsoft. But this is the biggest yet.

I really liked Nokia devices, but my E71 is probably going to be my last one.


Re:That new CEO... (1)

darjen (879890) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172848)

I used an e71 for a while and Nokia's hardware is second to none. They still make the best keyboards you can get on a phone. I wish my Droid's keyboard was made by them. I might actually be interested in buying a Nokia that was running something other than Symbian.

Re:That new CEO... (4, Insightful)

vegiVamp (518171) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172890)

Mole ? He worked for MS up to september. That's not MS planting a mole, that's Nokia dropping pants and bending over.

I've also been a Nokia guy up until now; currently got an N97. Wonderful toy even with Symbian being a bit of a bugger at times; but I'll be keeping a very sharp eye on where this is going.

But done right... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35173068)

What if they focus on those people who have their mobile lying next to their computer on their desk 8 hours a day?
+single password for phone and pc
+unlocking the phone unlocks the pc and vice versa
+your sms-es are just another folder in outlook
+your mobile works as a little sidekick screen, flashing incoming emails and upcoming appointments
+mobile works as Powerpoint remote during your presentations, including multimedia buttons
+when docked, all incomming calls automatically forwarded to your desktop phone
Yeah yeah, I know, keep on dreaming. MS will find a way to fuck it up...

Re:But done right... (1)

Jeppe Salvesen (101622) | more than 3 years ago | (#35173220)

Many of these ideas are actually apps that you are free to implement yourself. And this profit from. If you patent them, you might even make a few more bucks when MS decide the ideas are good enough to be implemented in the base OS.

"Alliance"? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35172758)

Did Microsoft just buy Nokia for $0?

Re:"Alliance"? (-1)

Nimloth (704789) | more than 3 years ago | (#35173104)

You can read more on the benefits for each company here [microsoft.com] . I personally think this is great news for Nokia, I've been watching them down with a bit of sadness during the last year, that said I wouldn't have touched an E71 or an E72 with a ten-foot pole. I hate to say it but Windows Phone 7 is great (unlike prior versions), and this is something I think can turn the ship around and actually save Nokia [engadget.com] .

Shocking (4, Informative)

ThoughtMonster (1602047) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172766)

This [blogs.com] is a good read on the whole matter. Writing's a bit crude in some parts but raises some good points.

These charts also illustrate the point. Nokia is alienating both its development community and its customers. Qt is put on the sidelines. Who's going to develop for a dying platform? A lot of people I know buy Symbian because of the generally familiar UI, which is similar to the Series 40 phones. Windows Phone is radically different.


Re:Shocking (2)

j_l_cgull (129101) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172962)

It is shocking that Nokia did not know about the Osbourne effect - which perhaps held back the Maemo/MeeGoo penetration even among geek circles. While this will give MS an entry in the emerging markets where Nokia is the leader, I cannot comprehend how this will influence a potential smartphone customer.

If the rumored iPhone Nano is true and the upcoming low cost Android phones will make it that much harder for this Nokia/WP7 combination to make meaningful dent in the marketshare - perhaps for MS, compared to without this deal. But is Nokia in that bad a shape that this alliance is needed to address the short comings in the smartphone landscape ?

Re:Shocking (3, Informative)

ThoughtMonster (1602047) | more than 3 years ago | (#35173144)

This whole thing is even more crazy if you take in account that Nokia shelled out more than $400 million for two assets (Symbian and Qt/Trolltech) which are now pushed into irrelevance. Nokia even open-sourced the entire Symbian operating system under the EPL, a huge move unlike what has been done by any company, only to dissolve the Symbian foundation after Mr. Elop joined the company.

What's more, Symbian and Windows phone are not perfect replacements. As some other posters have noted, the hardware requirements for Windows Phone are egregiously high, whilst Symbian is known to be frugal with hardware requirements because it was built from the ground-up to be an operating system for low-power devices. The user-interfaces are radically different.

The main issue with Symbian is that it was hard to develop for. This was supposed to be resolved with Qt, but now what? Nobody will develop for a platform that's going to eventually die.

Re:Shocking (3, Insightful)

gbjbaanb (229885) | more than 3 years ago | (#35173134)

The open letter [nokia.com] from CEO to everyone has a *lot* of comments. I can paraphrase for you in case you don't want to read them:

"WTF? Goodbye Nokia".

Its a great pity all round. Microsoft *still* won't sell any more phones, Nokia will just destroy itself. Shares down 8% today and I'm sure will fall further.

Meego and Symbian aren't dead just yet (1)

Randyll (1914386) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172774)

From their letter to developers [nokia.com]:

Qt will continue to be the development framework for Symbian and Nokia will use Symbian for further devices; continuing to develop strategic applications in Qt for Symbian platform and encouraging application developers to do the same. With 200 million users worldwide and Nokia planning to sell around 150 million more Symbian devices, Symbian still offers unparalleled geographical scale for developers.

Extending the scope of Qt further will be our first MeeGo-related open source device, which we plan to ship later this year. Though our plans for MeeGo have been adapted in light of our planned partnership with Microsoft, that device will be compatible with applications developed within the Qt framework and so give Qt developers a further device to target.

So they are not ditching Meego and Symbian completely, but it definitely looks like the systems will be sidelined into low-priority projects.

Re:Meego and Symbian aren't dead just yet (1)

Pecisk (688001) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172842)

In fact, MeeGo can't be even killed by Nokia dropping it, because it is open source project and there are lot of companies who are planning to use it in their products. Yes, Nokia was big supporter, but other than that - if there will be usage for it, it will live on. Not sure about WP7 if Microsoft fails to make a dent in market share with their bought love from Nokia.

Re:Meego and Symbian aren't dead just yet (1)

SwedishPenguin (1035756) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172878)

Symbian will be phased out completely, and the future of MeeGo appears unclear, they might make a single device, probably not giving the team sufficient resources to do it. It seems to me that Nokia (or rather Elop, I highly doubt this is an engineering decision) is dumping Qt, what possible use could they have for it if they're not going to use Symbian or MeeGo, and aren't going to port it to WP7?

Re:Meego and Symbian aren't dead just yet (1)

ryzvonusef (1151717) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172996)

Actually they will gradually shutdown Symbian. As for MeeGo, they will release a N900-esque one off device this year at MWC, but just like it's predecessor, expect it to starve off due to neglect.

Wonder what Nokia will do with Qt? It has no use in WP7, and the few measly MeeGo phones they provide will not support the continued expense of maintaining Trolltech.

To me, it's a massive loss for Open source.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/11/rip-symbian/ [engadget.com]

Re:Meego and Symbian aren't dead just yet (2)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 3 years ago | (#35173210)

Actually they will gradually shutdown Symbian. As for MeeGo, they will release a N900-esque one off device this year at MWC, but just like it's predecessor, expect it to starve off due to neglect.

Wonder what Nokia will do with Qt? It has no use in WP7, and the few measly MeeGo phones they provide will not support the continued expense of maintaining Trolltech.

To me, it's a massive loss for Open source.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/11/rip-symbian/ [engadget.com]

Is it a loss to open source? I think that anyone can fork the GPL or LGPL versions. It would be more of a loss for commercial Qt users. Interestingly I think that you could develop commercial applications for the LGPL version, as long as you released the source to any changes to the Qt code.

Re:Meego and Symbian aren't dead just yet (1)

Tolleman (606762) | more than 3 years ago | (#35173010)

Low-priority? They've had a rather decent system going since 2005, released a phone running it in november 2009 and while it had some flaws. It was really rather decent even from a non geek point of view(I have a few non geek friends that love it) while being awesome from a a geek point of view. Then they switched the entire base, and the frontend when they switched to MeeGo. I've skipped getting a n900 to wait for the MeeGo device. But it seems like I'll get a n900 after all. The only thing that "sucks" on it is the touchscreen. I've never felt that Maemo/MeeGo was anything BUT a low-priority project. And thats pretty much why they are where they are. They spent a fortune on Symbian instead of going with was able to compete with their competitors. Nokia seems to have had retards for management for 4-5 years. Fucking retards. BTW, are there any third party capacitive touchscreens for the N900?

Re:Meego and Symbian aren't dead just yet (1)

bemymonkey (1244086) | more than 3 years ago | (#35173172)

Just out of curiosity... why an N900 and not, say, an HD2? Do you require a hardware keyboard? Or is it Debian you're after?

Re:Meego and Symbian aren't dead just yet (1)

asnelt (1837090) | more than 3 years ago | (#35173038)

Still this is really bad news for MeeGo. With at least two other strong competitors in the field, MeeGo actually needs all the support it can get. Instead the netbook UX was already canceled by Nokia and now MeeGo will definitely not be the premium system of the top notch smartphones. It is true that as free software MeeGo cannot really die but it can become insignificant. Without a critical mass working on the system MeeGo cannot be competitive in the long run. I was hoping that it would become a huge success because having the complete desktop ecosystem in your pocket can have nice advantages.

Good bye Nokia! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35172782)

It was nice knowing ya! Too bad you restarted your high-end smartphone market 3(!) times in the past two years,
I am sure being an HTC-like Win7 phone "innovator" is where you want to be n the market,

A satisfied n900 customer

Snake oil (1)

celerityfm (181760) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172794)

Sweet! Does this mean Nokia will start bundling Microsoft's NIBBLES.BAS with handsets instead of their snake game?

This should make an Apple/Nokia settlement easier (0, Troll)

FlorianMueller (801981) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172796)

I believe this makes a patent settlement between Apple and Nokia in the form of a cross-license easier and more likely to happen in the near term. That's the biggest IT patent war I've ever seen. Apple asserted a variety of smartphone-related patents such as touchscreen user interface patents against Nokia in response to Nokia enforcing some standards-related (GSM, UMTS etc.) patents. Now that Nokia has chosen Windows Phone for the high end, I can't imagine that Apple would enforce patents against a Microsoft operating system. Those two companies haven't had a patent fight in a long time. It would make strategic sense for Apple and Nokia to settle and to focus on competitors building Android-based devices. I commented on this in more detail [blogspot.com] on my blog.

Makes sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35172800)

"Nokia still plans to ship a MeeGo-related product later this year.”

Good luck getting people to buy that living fossil.

Deal makes sense though. Nokia could not have independently challenged Android / iOS / Microsoft, and their entry-level handsets are being undercut in developing economies.

Buy WP7 Device from HTC Today (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35172814)

Or wait until Nokia releases one, maybe this year or next. Without a platform (Symbian, MeeGo, OVI) that is owned by Nokia it becomes just another hardware manufacturer with commensurate margins.

Nobody mentions Nokia Siemens Network which is still not profitable after several years. Even the overpaid acquisition of NAVTEQ is still loosing money.

Methinks I have seen this before (1)

SMOKEING (1176111) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172822)

Brezhnev & Honnecker [wikipedia.org] , no?

Goodbye Palm and Nokia! (0)

GrAfFiT (802657) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172828)

My first (dumb)phone was a Nokia 6110 in 1997 and my last a Nokia 6820 in 2005. My first PDA was a Palm Pilot 1000 in 1996 and my last, a Palm Tungsten T3 in 2005.
I guess smartphones killed them both. Nokia didn't know how to make a proper PDA and Palm didn't know how to make a proper phone. Too bad they didn't cooperate back then.

Palm and Nokia: you will be remembered.

Not so Qt (3, Insightful)

Skuto (171945) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172850)

Nokia bought Qt not so long ago, presumably because they were aiming for embedded Linux based devices and Qt is one of the best toolkits for that. Now that they are in bed with Microsoft, getting a great Linux/crossplatform GUI toolkit hardly can be a priority any more, so it makes a lot less sense to spend money on developing Qt. Particularly as unlike Trolltech, they were focussing on making it as popular as possible even at the expense of the commercial version (GPL->LGPL license change).

So now Qt just became an irrelevant, money losing division, didn't it?

Or do they plan to keep Qt but just use Windows as the underlying OS? I can't believe MS will be entirely happy with that, having .NET as competition and all...

Re:Not so Qt (1)

S.O.B. (136083) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172972)

Expect a fork of Qt as Nokia slowly drains resources away from it.

Re:Not so Qt (1)

guidryp (702488) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172984)

QT will not be used for Window Phone development. It was in one of the many links at Engadget.

Re:Not so Qt (1)

SwedishPenguin (1035756) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172988)

They've already announced that Qt will not be available for WP7.. It seems to me that they are essentially dumping Qt, so question is what the Trolls will do now? Start up Trolltech again?

QT is not "money losing" (2)

brunes69 (86786) | more than 3 years ago | (#35173174)

QT was a profitable company with a large number of employees BEFORE Nokia bought it.

Not everyone realizes - QT is licensed by companies not just to develop applications that run on both Windows and UNIX, but also Windows and Mac OS. This is where they make a lot of money.

QT is not going anywhere, it has a huge install base. If anything it would be sold by Nokia or spun-off into it's own company again.

Nokia R.I.P (0)

Zoidbot (1194453) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172864)

You just did a Motorola, and killed your smartphone business. You went from a burning platform to another burning platform.

No doubt your ex-Microsoft CEO had something to do with this decision, I wonder where his priorities were...

Microsoft only look after Microsoft, they don't give a rats ass what happens to Nokia, who by the end of this will be an empty shell of their former selves. Microsoft will have gotten what they wanted out of it (WP7 not sinking without a trace) and Nokia will be scrabbling around as a bottom-feeder picking up the pieces.

I'm betting 3 years from now, they will be desperate to join OHA (if they shareholders haven't revolted by then)

This decision will be seen as the key demise of Nokia several years from now.

Congratulations Stephen Elop , your true masters back in Redmond will be most pleased.

Bad news for MeGoo, indeed (2)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172866)

"Two's company, three's a crowd." Supporting three platforms requires a lot of resource. So one of the old ones will be facing cutbacks, if not being kicked entirely. Now, let's see "MeGoo" -> "Me Go". Oh, what a giveaway.

It's really too bad. I have a Nokia N800, which I love, and was really looking forward to buying a N900. I decided to wait and see how the reviews were. Then came the Maemo -> MeGoo announcement and the departure of Ari Jaaksi, and that really unsettled me. I really liked Maemo. Getting Intel on board was bound to lead to conflicts in direction, which would slow down development.

So now, I will wait still longer to see how things with MeGoo move along. And I am not buying a Nokia with Windows 7. So it's probably time to start looking at Andriod. Way to blow it, Nokia.

My final Nokia (3, Interesting)

PARENA (413947) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172870)

I've always been a big Nokia fan. I'm currently using my 6th or 7th one since 1999. Stirdy, trustworthy devices (well, except for one clam type phone, but could be blamed on my abuse of it). The one I have now (E51) is the 'smartest' phone I have, but it will also be my final Nokia. Would have loved to see them jump to Android, but they chose this. No, I can't put this down with facts or figures, it's just a feeling: it will not help Nokia remain the biggest phone manufacturer and I believe their market share will decline more and more. Too little, too late, this move. Such a shame, as the N8 (Symbian) is such a gorgeous device (but seriously, no Ogg support?) and I really love many of their phone designs. From fun to casual to business. Thanks for 12 years of fun, Nokia, but this is one customer less. :(

Nokia sell out imminent? (1)

Artem Tashkinov (764309) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172874)

As stock exchange players negatively reacted to this news, I won't be surprised if Microsoft had a hidden agenda of buying out all Nokia assets shortly afterwards.

Re:Nokia sell out imminent? (1)

alen (225700) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172944)

would be a smart move. Nokia owns thousands of patents that Apple licenses

Sell sell sell (4, Insightful)

duncanFrance (140184) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172876)

Any shares you have in Nokia.

They put an ex-Microsoftie in charge of a consumer electronics company. I'd laugh if it wasn't such a tragedy.

QT will be taken out and shot as soon as possible. Here's how it will happen: Microsoft will offer Nokia a Business Development Agreement which lets Nokia get discounts off the price they pay for operating system licences. The discounts will be related to Nokia doing one of a number of 'entirely voluntary' (hence not illegally coerced) things. Things like enhancing QT in some way to make it compatible with some pointless and unused feature of Windows PhoneOS. After a few of these it will be cheaper to just kill QT.

Then KDE will be screwed.

Any guesses how long Symbian will last?

It had to happen, and probably won't help. (1)

Biotech9 (704202) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172882)

Nokia has seen Apple and Google jump in on the high-end, taking almost all of the high-profit margin of the market. On the low-end they're going to be increasingly attacked by Chinese firms pumping out phones that are good enough to use, and cheaper than Nokia can make them. They can only try and regain some market share from Google/Apple and there is no way Symbian was ever going to do that. It's a dead OS in terms of mindshare. I think the hardware looks great (The new E9 is stunning) but they need to change OS.

Maemo has been fun but never got any focus from Nokia, and it looks like Meego is being aborted. It was either teaming up with MS or turning to Android.

This fucking sucks though, I have been waiting for a decent maemo phone for ages, ignoring the N900 because of the USB port issues. The hand-me-down E51 I am using is starting to show its age though, so I guess it's a second hand N900 for me now. I can't see this ending well for Nokia. Did they learn nothing from the MS behaviour during the "plays for sure" debacle?

Time to switch I guess (1)

vadim_t (324782) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172896)

I really liked the N900, but from the looks of it that may not be going anywhere anymore.

So, what's a good Android phone? I'd like one as open as possible, with good hardware specs and a hardware keyboard.

Re:Time to switch I guess (1)

Pecisk (688001) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172940)

Google Nexus S, developed by Samsung? I have heard lot of good things about it.

Android is quite open - yes, phone vendors and Google still ship numbers of closed apps with standard platform, but rest of it is documented and open sourced quite nicely. Also I usually buy phones not from mobile networks, so I avoid all lockdowns and such stuff.

I have HTC Wildfire, and it is niffy, good looking thing. I had reserved thoughts about Android before but now I think Google knows how to do that.

Still looking forward to MeeGo as alternative, 'classic style' mobile Linux platform. Loved Moblin 2 demos.

Re:Time to switch I guess (1)

BESTouff (531293) | more than 3 years ago | (#35173032)

I think I'll stay with my N900 for a while yet. It works very well for my uses, it starts getting community updates. Maybe I'll try NITDroid when it's working a bit more. Afterwards, well ... how about a GTA04 ? Or some kind of android phone if one appears to be open enough.

Re:Time to switch I guess (1)

vadim_t (324782) | more than 3 years ago | (#35173126)

Probably not switching just yet, unless I happen to break it soon. But I figure it's time to start looking at what else is out there.

I think I'll wait to see if that MeeGo device works out. It sounds like support for it within Nokia won't be great, but if it works well enough and gets a community it could be worth getting anyway.

Re:Time to switch I guess (1)

gbjbaanb (229885) | more than 3 years ago | (#35173198)

The best one according to PCPro's megatest of phones is the HTC Desire. They do a version of it with a slide-out keyboard called the Desire Z [htc.com]

the keyboard is very very good, we have them on our (windows 6.5) phones and although everyone hates the OS, they like the keyboards a lot.

Minimum Requirements for Windows Phone 7? (3, Interesting)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172902)

An alliance with Nokia gives it access to the world's largest phone maker and its huge mindshare — in many developing nations a mobile phone is known as a Nokia.

I was a little confused by this quote as the minimum requirements for Windows Phone 7 far exceed [wikipedia.org] the vast majority of those developing nation cellphones. I believe those are mostly the candy bar cell phones or "dumbphones." I was under the impression that developing nations had a vast population of users who weren't in the market for smartphones. That might be changing but I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that the current models Nokia enjoys widespread distribution hinge on a trim microkernel operating system with little to no system requirements and I'm unaware of a version of Windows Phone 7 that satisfies these hardware constraints. Simply put, it's going to be a long time before Microsoft's WP7 dominates the developing nations as the de facto operating system. And good luck piling those licensing rights of WP7 on top of the cost of the phone to people who struggle to find potable water!

Re:Minimum Requirements for Windows Phone 7? (4, Informative)

secondhand_Buddah (906643) | more than 3 years ago | (#35173092)

Don't kid yourself about developing nations. I live in one. We have one of the most sophisticated cell phone networks in the world. Almost everyone here has a cell phone because landlines are unfordable for the majority of our citizens. Most phones here can at least run Java. The social network of choice here is called Mxit has been developed using Java for mobiles. Its cheap to communicate via Mxit (much cheaper than SMS) so a large portion of our nation does. Symbian will probably end up dominating this market segment for Nokia, while their smartphone segment runs Windows 7 for the meantime until they find a better strategy.

Re:Minimum Requirements for Windows Phone 7? (2)

anandrajan (86137) | more than 3 years ago | (#35173246)

I wouldn't be surprised if Nokia maintains legacy dumbphone support (on Symbian) for a while until the developing nations can be switched to smartphones (or when low end smartphones can run Windows Mobile 7 which should happen in a few years). On the other hand, I think MeeGo on smartphones is cooked since Microsoft is no Amigo (when it comes to linux + Qt). As others have speculated, this is very bad news for the Trolls since they will probably be turned into zombies. I would not be surprised to see Intel buy the Qt division and pursue MeeGo for in vehicle infotainment which is where MeeGo got its first win (via the GenIVI alliance [genivi.org] ).

This ex-Nokia executive's blog [blogs.com] makes for interesting reading.

Farewell Nokia. (1)

miffo.swe (547642) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172906)

This is the last gasp from a dying company. Now nobody will touch a Symbian Phone with a ten inch pole if it costs more than 10 bucks.

On the upside Nokia gets to compete with tons of Asian and Indian manufacturers making exactly similar WP7 phones with no other way of differienting them than another background or another widget. Release the breakes and drive off the cliff keeping the gas pedal to the floor all the way down, what a way to go out of history!

Qt (1)

SwedishPenguin (1035756) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172924)

I was planning on buying the first MeeGo device when it eventually came to market, but now that WP7 is the "primary OS" for smartphones, it doesn't feel as if they're going to invest the resources they needs to pull it off properly, if at all...

Even worse, they're essentially abandoning Qt. They've announced that there will be no Qt support on their WP7 devices. They had a great plan to use Qt for both MeeGo and Symbian devices, allowing cross-platform application development. It really was a great strategy.
What is going to happen to Qt now? Symbian will eventually be phased out, MeeGo on Nokia appears to be essentially dead.. Nokia will have no use for it anymore.

Re:Qt (1)

PhrostyMcByte (589271) | more than 3 years ago | (#35173122)

Microsoft isn't allowing any native programming on Windows Phone 7 right now, so Nokia couldn't port it over even if it was a good fit (it's not) and they wanted to.

The only way I could see Microsoft caving on this is for game developers -- Microsoft is going to feel a sting when high-end game engines run across Android and iPhone but leave WP7 in the dust. I have a feeling they know this, too, because all the WP7 devices out right now have unimpressive 2 year old GPUs in them.

Last Nokia I buy (1)

omb (759389) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172936)

Having uses Nokia phone for at least the last 15 years my N95 will be the LAST Nokia

I cant believe people can be so stupid!

Re:Last Nokia I buy (1)

N1AK (864906) | more than 3 years ago | (#35173020)

The fact you are using a phone released 4 years ago shows that you're neither the market Nokia is looking for, and that they've already lost.

Most Apple and Android users will have gone through 2-3 handsets since 2007. If Nokia hasn't been able to motivate its users to upgrade it's hardly shocking that they are in a hole.

Nokia (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35172960)

Connecting people. [imgur.com]

Nokisoft or Mickria - whats better? (1)

phypsilon (140518) | more than 3 years ago | (#35172964)

This seems a lot like the Wintel relationship between MS and Intel. But whats the best name for this "cooperation"?

Re:Nokisoft or Mickria - whats better? (2)

Linker3000 (626634) | more than 3 years ago | (#35173090)


Re:Nokisoft or Mickria - whats better? (1)

EdgeyEdgey (1172665) | more than 3 years ago | (#35173256)


and a skinny late to go please.

Nokia R & D expenses (2)

BlackCreek (1004083) | more than 3 years ago | (#35173000)

While they make awesome hardware Nokia has got to get their act together wrt getting R & D to deliver: they spend almost 3 times as its peers [engadget.com]

Not very reassuring slides (1)

Oscaro (153645) | more than 3 years ago | (#35173018)

"Qt will continue to be the development framework for Symbian and Nokia will use Symbian for further devices"

Yes, but they also say this:

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011/02/nokiawebcast-4.pdf-page-30-of-38.jpg [blogcdn.com]
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011/02/nokiawebcast-4.pdf-page-32-of-38.jpg [blogcdn.com]

Adding new programmers to a project already late.. (1)

drolli (522659) | more than 3 years ago | (#35173026)

You can produce the same effect by making a last-minute switch to a new OS after carefully stabilizing and making an OS pefectly matched to your needs and hardware for several years. It will not be faster to use the new OS and if you main positive reputation is "It just works" then you can only loose more.

Palm crawled back to their original idea after getting distracted on the windows path and nearly died. The just wasted energy, confused the community and lost more time

I am really sad to see that history repeats itself. I liked every Nokia phone (6310,6310i,E71,E63) i used, because i could 100% rely on it.

A hard choice (1)

Artem Tashkinov (764309) | more than 3 years ago | (#35173046)

A lot of people wonder why Nokia didn't choose Android over all other software platforms. Here's what I think:

  • There are too many companies producing Android based mobile phones and Nokia would become one of many and Nokia will have to compete on hardware quality/price level which they cannot do/afford to do (Finnish labour is very costly).
  • No company so far has been able to exert Google/Android and Nokia will have to differentiate in order to be competitive - probably Nokia executives couldn't believe they could persuade Google. Since now we are talking about a strategic alliance with Microsoft, I bet Microsoft will be willing to adjust WF7 platform for Nokia needs.
  • I won't be surprised to learn that Microsoft actually paid Nokia in hard currency to have such a large and advanced mobile phones producer.

However with this kind of alliance there's one question that bugs me a lot: WF7 platform has quite steep hardware requirements and so far Nokia hasn't been able to produce a lot of beefy devices - what will happen to the wide range of devices Nokia is currently selling?

1/Apple? (1)

martinux (1742570) | more than 3 years ago | (#35173058)

This seems like an move to counter Apple by cornering the other end of the market.

Instead of terrible hardware with solid software Nokrosoft present solid hardware with terrible software.

Nail in the coffin (3, Insightful)

muzicman (1148101) | more than 3 years ago | (#35173062)

I guess that the N900 is the last Nokia that I will ever own.

Out of the choices of operating systems to go for, why on earth did they choose Windows over Android? What were they thinking? They would have hammered the iPhone in a year or two if they had chosen Android.

They really need their heads examining.

Glad I don't have shares in Nokia.

Probably it is a good news... (1)

syngularyx (1070768) | more than 3 years ago | (#35173066)

... for the non-NOKIA shareholders!

Qt (1)

Artem Tashkinov (764309) | more than 3 years ago | (#35173106)

What will happen to it? It doesn't run, nor it can be easily ported to WF7. It seems like Elop has simply overlooked Qt's existence.

Qt's main strength was easy C++ code portability between a lot of platforms (Win/Lin/MacOS/even QNX) and even if Nokia implements C# bindings to Qt, you will still have to rewrite all software specifically for WF7.

Meanwhile KDE developers are already very unhappy [planetkde.org] and concerned about Nokia's decision.

Microsoft needed this (1)

Adayse (1983650) | more than 3 years ago | (#35173110)

I like my android phone, my linux servers and my windows desktop. If this means that a lot of microsoft developers feel a bit safer knowing that the risk of their platform withering away in some mobile future is a bit lower then I'm in favour. For the same price and hardware I would take a windows phone over a symbian phone so where is the harm to Nokia?

Quite sad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35173132)

Nokia's Maemo & MeeGo seemed to be the only real open source OS for smartphones. Nokia's decision to buy Trolltech (and so Qt) was great.
Seems like I'll buy an Android phone instead of a MeeGo one :( (Yeah, I know, n900... but hey, it's just dead)

So sad (2)

hmmm (115599) | more than 3 years ago | (#35173138)

I loved Nokia, they worked hard to make good quality phones with advanced features. I'd reluctantly switched to iPhone about 3 years ago as Nokia fell behind on the Smartphone race, but I never loved Apple and was ready to make the move when a good competitor arrived. Microsoft are not ready for the new era, they are the Mubaraks of the IT world. Nokia is finished, it might sell a few million phones but will never again excite consumers or enthuse developers - I feel really really sad & sorry for enthusiastic Nokia employees.

Free Cellphone Company for MS, nice work Elop. (3, Interesting)

guidryp (702488) | more than 3 years ago | (#35173156)

Elop will certainly go down as a Hero for Microsoft, he managed to give Microsoft everything it would want from a Nokia Purchase, but without spending a dime.

No small coincidence that he is a former Microsoftie.

QT and KDE need to leave. Now. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35173164)

This will be the death knell of QT and KDE, unless those projects move quickly to find a more hospitable environment. One would hope the developers know their software industry history, and that they are making plans for their departure. Certainly some will simply go with the flow and collect a paycheck. Anyone with a vested interest in a Free alternative to Microsoft/Apple/Google hegemony in the mobile market must understand, however, that Nokia's alliance with Microsoft means their efforts to remain viable will be in vain. This is a truly sad day in the history of computing. The mobile market will soon become a completely closed ecosystem unless this project succeeds.

Go for easy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35173184)

Elop made it easy for him - fire people, dump responsibility of innovating on their own and sell out to Microsoft. Very sad day for Fins - they must have been hoping that this guy will be a SJ - but they got, well Elop.

Why did they have to pay him for playing to Microsoft's tunes is beyond me - I thought the whole idea was for him to clean up the mess, organize the better parts and focus on creating something new which has the best chance of differentiation - now sadly they just make hardware and ship Windows on it - at a time when HP, for example, is trying to break away from the age old crippling Microsoft reliance.

Failure (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35173238)

You failed, Nokia.

I bought the N900 at full retail price, and even switched carriers to support you because I believed you were headed in the right direction.

I was dismayed when I got the news that Debian-based Maemo was being dumped, but I talked myself in to believing Nokia+IBM might be able to turn out something good with MeeGo and assumed someone would backport it for the N900 eventually. I certainly understood you needed a strong partner, as you were getting creamed in the smartphone market.

Despite strong product placement in Tron: Legacy (the one right thing you've done lately), I think you're finished. Sure, you'll linger on for years, milking your patents, but, like Microsoft, you have no mindshare when it comes to smartphones these days; at least not among the crowd I run with -- technical New Yorkers who have money to burn on such devices.

All this waffling on your direction with Maemo and MeeGo, and then commiting to neither. It's clear there is no one at the helm who has a clue. We develop apps with Qt at work, so I was ready to get involved once I got a sense of commitment from you on something. Sadly, that never happened.

Who knows, next week you could be announcing you'll be running PalmOS. It won't help though. You had the chance to a be a leader, but you blew it.

2 OS goes to 3 OS.. (1)

t482 (193197) | more than 3 years ago | (#35173254)

There is no way they can compete against Chinese OEM manufacturers - they will eat their lunch.
Throw away current decent dev tools for new ones never makes sense
This seems like an all out gamble that they can take on RIM in the corporate market with MS's backing
They can't completely dump Symbian and Meego will continue without them.

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