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First Alpha of Qt For Android Released

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the early-option dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "In the wake of Nokia's announcement that it will be cheerfully throwing its existing developer community under a bus by not offering Qt for Windows Phone, a project to implement Qt on Android has announced its initial alpha release. Necessitas project lead Bogdan Vatra writes, 'I had a dream that one day, I'll be able to deploy existing Qt software on any Android platform. I had a dream that one day, all Qt applications will use system wide shared Qt libraries. I had a dream that one day, all Qt applications once compiled and deployed to one android platform, will run on any other newer android platform and will last for years without any recompilation. I had a dream that one day, I'll be able to create, manage, compile debug and deploy Qt apps using a first class citizen IDE. Now, those dreams become reality.' The Necessitas wiki offers some documentation on Qt for Android. A demo video of Qt for Android in action is also available."

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It's too small (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35274998)

QT isn't big enough to compete. The other juggernauts have the momentum and QT will fail. it is not because it is a bad technology - it just doesn't have the traction.

Re:It's too small (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#35275180)

With Nokia becoming an MS hardware OEM, QT isn't going to be the default, native, library set for any platform with notable share; but I see it cropping up(subtly, you usually have to take a look at the stuff an installer does to notice it) in all sorts of cross-platform commercial software with quite broad distribution. Then you have KDE, which is a fairly heavy QT user, albeit not one with a huge install base.

I'd say that the odds of world domination look slim; but I don't see why QT couldn't continue doing what it did before the Nokia acquisition(even if Nokia has no further interest, they paid good money for Trolltech, so they'd be stupid to destroy them internally, rather than spin them off again and take what they can get...)

Re:It's too small (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35275216)

Well it seems to me that in order to compete you need apps and visibility. KDE and Nokia do provide the visibility but the apps will only come if there is an ROI on the part of developers. If deelopers are going to spend the time and effort making the app then there needs to be demand for this platform.

Re:It's too small (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 3 years ago | (#35275306)

There's something non-stupid about this entire evolution to you? Do share.

Re:It's too small (3, Interesting)

Luckyo (1726890) | more than 3 years ago | (#35275312)

I'd say that the odds of world domination look slim; but I don't see why QT couldn't continue doing what it did before the Nokia acquisition(even if Nokia has no further interest, they paid good money for Trolltech, so they'd be stupid to destroy them internally, rather than spin them off again and take what they can get...)

Nokia (or more specifically the MS guy who got into CEO position) essentially threw its entire 5 year "linux phone" development under the bus. Trolltech purchase is pennies in comparison.

Re:It's too small (4, Insightful)

Anthony Mouse (1927662) | more than 3 years ago | (#35275378)

Nokia (or more specifically the MS guy who got into CEO position) essentially threw its entire 5 year "linux phone" development under the bus. Trolltech purchase is pennies in comparison.

The funny thing is they spent all the money on Meego, which still exists, and now they aren't using it. But now some other company, maybe one with a strong Intel partnership, can come along, scoop it up and run with it if they decide their existing OS is dying a slow death. Especially if the existing OS is already Linux-based and they could reuse some of their existing code. (Hello HP?)

Re:It's too small (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 3 years ago | (#35276438)

Do you HONESTLY believe Meego had a snowball's chance in hell? Really? Because you might want to go to Endgadget and read their actual hands on review and not just the fawning press releases. There you will find lovely quotes such as "not even alpha quality", "Under the top shine there is nothing substantial" "Very little functionality" and "would need at least a year to be where the others are now" which of course by then would be even farther behind as nobody else will be standing still.

It is pretty sad that /. has become Boycott Novell with all the "ZOMG M$!" so thick that people would completely ignore reality just to throw in another M$ conspiracy. Do you think they hired a new CEO just because it was Tuesday? The facts are thus: Nokia is bleeding share like there is no tomorrow, dumbphones are going the way of 8-tracks and that was the only market Nokia had real share in, their smartphone OS was frankly a joke compared to iOS, and they simply didn't have the luxury to throw another year at development of yet another Linux based OS that may or may not sell.

Now considering if they would have went Android all they would have gotten is a thank you letter from Brin and Page while leaping into a market that is already beyond saturated, both HP and Apple won't sell them WebOS and iOS respectfully, and MSFT was willing to shell out billions to make Nokia the hardware arm for WinPhone 7. Considering their choices you'd have to be a Boycott Novell level of "ZOMG M$! ZOMG!!" conspiracy theorist to honestly think they had another option here. What did you expect them to do, just close up shop and return the money to the shareholders?

I'm sure there are those here that would honestly rather see a company close down and thousands go out of work rather than seeing MSFT get anything, but those of us that can just look at the numbers without being blinded by nerd rage can see the writing on the wall: They had no real smartphone presence, their OS they did have was seriously behind and would take time they didn't have to catch up, and the only other OS they could get their hands on is so over saturated you'd have to be nuts to want to use it ATM. They made the best call with what they had to work with, and only time will tell if it was a good one or not, but I fail to see how they had much of a choice here. It wasn't like the company was all hearts and flowers before the big bad MSFT came along.

Re:It's too small (3, Insightful)

Anthony Mouse (1927662) | more than 3 years ago | (#35275210)

QT isn't big enough to compete. The other juggernauts have the momentum and QT will fail. it is not because it is a bad technology - it just doesn't have the traction.

It's a framework, not a platform. Whether or not anybody else uses it is totally irrelevant to whether you can write an app with it and have it run on any Android phone. Or anything else they port the library to.

And if it works well and allows you to easily write portable software then plenty of people will use it, because there is no barrier (and significant advantages) to being an early adopter.

Re:It's too small (2)

DrXym (126579) | more than 3 years ago | (#35277054)

QT isn't big enough to compete. The other juggernauts have the momentum and QT will fail. it is not because it is a bad technology - it just doesn't have the traction.

I think QT has a place on Android. Think of all those useful Linux apps you'd like to see on your tablet for example. Then there are apps migrating from Nokia's platform which could find it useful.

What I would like to see on Android is a proper alternative to the Dalvik framework. There is the NDK but it would be nice to see a proper LLVM like environment where you can write C++ code but it is turned to an intermediate bitcode and isn't tied to one platform or architecture.

nips in the vid (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35275000)

I saw nip at 1:15.

Re:nips in the vid (1)

jason.sweet (1272826) | more than 3 years ago | (#35275146)

We have learned 3 things today:
  1. Qt developers like nips on their desktop.
  2. Qt developers are overly dramatic.
  3. Qt developer are very, very slow readers.

Re:nips in the vid (4, Informative)

Lord Byron II (671689) | more than 3 years ago | (#35275672)

It's just a tasteful, nude background on his desktop. Nothing that should warrant a removal by YouTube, but it's their prudish prerogative.

For those of us who are adults and capable of seeing a female breast without going nuts, here's an alternate link to the video:

http://blip.tv/file/4790125 [blip.tv]

Re:nips in the vid (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35275710)

Rather than not going nuts, we here in the U.S. should be praising the gods for every wonderful natural tit we see. Let the fake bewbs receive our scorn.

Re:nips in the vid (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35276202)

Lol.. it's not "tasteful". Why don't you ask a female what they would think of an organisation that showed demos with nipples?

Oh wait.. there are no females around here.

Re:nips in the vid (2)

Inner_Child (946194) | more than 3 years ago | (#35275158)

I saw nip at 1:15.

Apparently so did someone else, the video was taken down.

Re:nips in the vid (2)

amRadioHed (463061) | more than 3 years ago | (#35275160)

That explains the youtube link now saying "This video has been removed as a violation of YouTube's policy on nudity or sexual content.
Sorry about that."

Who knew Qt was so sexy?

Re:nips in the vid (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35275204)

you're reading it wrong...

A demo video of Cutie on Android action is also available."

Re:nips in the vid (1)

froggymana (1896008) | more than 3 years ago | (#35275608)

First its qt, then its SCSI! :)

Re:nips in the vid (1)

snookiex (1814614) | more than 3 years ago | (#35276038)

Showing that background was pointless, and now all articles pointing to the YouTube video have a broken link. Well done, Bogdan.

US-centric again (2)

Kupfernigk (1190345) | more than 3 years ago | (#35277018)

Um- perhaps it never occurred to him? Because, you know, a lot of Europeans wouldn't even notice.

Re:nips in the vid (1)

SwedishPenguin (1035756) | more than 3 years ago | (#35276210)

What is up with the insane puritanical censorship from Google? A nipple? Come one, we get that regularly on public television and *noone* cares.

Long live Qt (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35275074)

Long live Qt

A bit slow. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35275082)

Does it really take anyone over a minute to read the intro? Got bored, went away.

Re:A bit slow. (1)

nschubach (922175) | more than 3 years ago | (#35275434)

I had a dream that one day someone would read about my dream. I had a dream that that someone would post on my story. I had a dream that someone would make fun of it. I had a dream that someone would respond to that in light humor. I had a dream that they would note that in the same post. Now, those dreams become reality.

Qt ecosystem... (2, Interesting)

arunce (1934350) | more than 3 years ago | (#35275166)

So, how long will take google to trash the java stuff and absorb Qt as the primary toolkit/sdk ecosystem? With or without it how will they fight the Nokia patent pool brought in court by their puppet master?

Re:Qt ecosystem... (1)

fidget42 (538823) | more than 3 years ago | (#35275178)

Wouldn't this trash the existing application base?

Re:Qt ecosystem... (0)

arunce (1934350) | more than 3 years ago | (#35275382)

No. It will take years to deprecate. Said Qt as primary, all the rest something else.

Re:Qt ecosystem... (1)

GigaplexNZ (1233886) | more than 3 years ago | (#35275650)

So, how long will take google to trash the java stuff...

Wouldn't this trash the existing application base?

No. It will take years to deprecate. Said Qt as primary, all the rest something else.

You did say trash, don't try to deny it ;)

Re:Qt ecosystem... (1)

arunce (1934350) | more than 3 years ago | (#35275808)

No I don't. :)

Re:Qt ecosystem... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35275420)

It's been said before, but just because Android's API is written in Java, does not mean you have to use Java for it. Likewise for C# and WinForms. Those two languages, Java and C#, like C++, are usually the least suited for GUI code - more expressive languages are much less aggravating for the task.

Re:Qt ecosystem... (2)

chammy (1096007) | more than 3 years ago | (#35275586)

Java and C#, like C++, are usually the least suited for GUI code - more expressive languages are much less aggravating for the task.

That's why they made Qt's QML [nokia.com]

Re:Qt ecosystem... (1)

epyT-R (613989) | more than 3 years ago | (#35275698)

this attitude is probably why so many guis today are boated and slow as hell on microwave frequency clocked hardware. more 'expressive' and abstract languages tend to run in VMs and/or interpreters (which are often coded in c++ anyway) which makes the execution speed orders of magnitude slower than they need to be..

Re:Qt ecosystem... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35275780)

That's impossible when GUI code is normally responsible for < 1% of the CPU overhead for your application. Common critical GUI routines like sorting huge lists reside alongside core logic, which is typically written in C/C++/C#/Java/asm.

I understand this mentality runs counter-intuitive for the faith-based programmers, who can't comprehend profiling their code and then rewriting it to be more efficient.

Re:Qt ecosystem... (2)

Anthony Mouse (1927662) | more than 3 years ago | (#35275480)

With or without it how will they fight the Nokia patent pool brought in court by their puppet master?

Why go to court? If only three people use it then it's hardly worth the effort. And if everybody starts writing Android apps with Qt, great! Just do the about face and tell all those Qt developers they employ to make Qt run on WP7 and suddenly WP7 has all the Android apps. Which would benefit both Nokia and Android at the expense of iOS, because it allows developers to target both platforms at once.

Re:Qt ecosystem... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35275766)

That will never happen, Google loves Java and Python (both are stupid choices if you ask me).

Qt is pretty damn bloated with gigantic libraries and long load times (symbol resolution), I'm interested to see how well it works on Android.

I have my doubts as to how well it can be integrated, some of the high level Android API's are Java only. Despite what other people in the thread are claiming. Yes, all the low level stuff is there in C libraries but most Android apps use the higher level Java API's so those would have to be rebuilt, adding even more bloat.

I do wish Android didn't use Java though. Something built on just plain C++ or even Google's own Go language would be much better performance-wise which would allow it to compete with the iPhone better (all those snazzy effects, etc).

Re:Qt ecosystem... (1)

arunce (1934350) | more than 3 years ago | (#35275788)

Yes. Google loves Java and guess who got in bed? Oracle.

Re:Qt ecosystem... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35275820)

So, how long will take google to trash the java stuff and absorb Qt as the primary toolkit/sdk ecosystem?

Why?

Qt and C++ were great in 1995. Last time I checked, it's not 1995 anymore. Any company that bets the farm on Qt and C++ as the future of their platform deserves to be taken over by a Microsoft executive in the middle of their a long slow slide into bankruptcy and irrelevance.

Re:Qt ecosystem...Not soon enough (1)

codepunk (167897) | more than 3 years ago | (#35276704)

Not soon enough I am afraid, it would finally make android a first class device.

Video Removed (1)

freefal67 (949117) | more than 3 years ago | (#35275186)

For nudity or sexual content?

Re:Video Removed (1)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 3 years ago | (#35275250)

Must be some fantastic porn with all the right curves in all the right places.

Re:Video Removed (1)

RavenChild (854835) | more than 3 years ago | (#35275252)

Running alpha releases can be very risque.

Re:Video Removed (0)

luizd (716122) | more than 3 years ago | (#35275326)

For nudity or sexual content?

Maybe it was too sexy for some Nokia CEO...

Re:Video Removed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35275448)

Desktop background in the video is a nice bare rack I would love to stuff full of my hardware, but not the server kind... kinda ridiculous this guy made that video with that sa

Re:Video Removed (3, Insightful)

merick (1878106) | more than 3 years ago | (#35275530)

The video opens with a shot of his desktop which is photograph of a nude female torso.

So, it was correctly flagged. Unfortunate that he started the video that way.

Re:Video Removed (1)

LucidBeast (601749) | more than 3 years ago | (#35276296)

He doesn't want Apple to find out about this video.

GIVEN WP7 FIASCO RIGHT NOW I SAY GOOD !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35275192)

This is worse than having sex with your sister!

Re:GIVEN WP7 FIASCO RIGHT NOW I SAY GOOD !! (1, Offtopic)

angus77 (1520151) | more than 3 years ago | (#35275208)

How dare you talk about my sister that way!

...(was she really that bad?)...

Re:GIVEN WP7 FIASCO RIGHT NOW I SAY GOOD !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35275418)

Better than my sister.

nudity and sexual (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35275236)

Qt is that sexy - wow

Flagged video (1, Insightful)

LingNoi (1066278) | more than 3 years ago | (#35275240)

So some asshole flagged the QT video on youtube and now there is no way to report it as incorrectly flagged. A new low for fanboys..

Re:Flagged video (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35275300)

According to other comments the desktop pic that was used on the PC wasn't safe for work.

Re:Flagged video (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35276218)

Not safe for work? Where are you working? in a monastery?? Agghh, USians...

Re:Flagged video (5, Informative)

tuomasb (981596) | more than 3 years ago | (#35275372)

Alternative URL from the original Google groups post:http://blip.tv/file/4790125 [blip.tv]

Re:Flagged video (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35275406)

I just LOL'd my ass off. Link is real. Also... NSFW

Re:Flagged video (3, Informative)

LingNoi (1066278) | more than 3 years ago | (#35275528)

Thanks for posting the link. So tired of americans obsession with nipples getting in the way of everything..

Re:Flagged video (0)

spyder-implee (864295) | more than 3 years ago | (#35275774)

Well said.

Nokia is dead (5, Insightful)

GNUALMAFUERTE (697061) | more than 3 years ago | (#35275242)

This is incredible. It's hard to believe how stupid are some companies. Nokia had some awesome assets. How could they not see it?

- You are the world's largest manufacturer of mobile phones
- You own one of the best development frameworks in the world, a framework that is 100% cross platform, and totally Unix friendly
- The world is changing. Windows is decaying on desktops. Unix runs most servers, many desktops (combining Apple + GNU/Linux + other free Unix-like systems), and is the biggest mobile player (33% Android + 16% Apple)
- You have an awesome linux-based mobile platform (meego).
- Microsoft has consistently failed on the mobile market, and is irrelevant
- Every organization that has ever partnered with microsoft has lost, big time

So, the logical step is to throw away everything you have, ignore the market trend, and move to windows?

What. The. Fuck.

Partnering with Google, porting QT to Android, merging all cool meego functionality into Android, and cleaning up your product line didn't ever cross your mind, Nokia?

But you can see their main mistake was hiring Stephen Elop. Since he left Macromedia he couldn't hold a job for more than a year. Nothing screams failure like a CEO that roams through 3 companies in 2 years. And he got to Nokia from Microsoft. Really Nokia, just WTF.

Regardless, it doesn't seem to be the only company that doesn't get it. Most technology companies nowdays just plain don't get it. This morning I broke my samsung phone (android 1.6), so I bought a new one (Galaxy, 2.1 Eclair). It came with a shitload of crappy samsung apps, an awful theme, gmail replaced for some stupid mail app, and Yahoo as the search engine (can't be changed). I just rooted it, and installed Froyo. Looks awesome now. Why are technology companies boycotting themselves so badly lately? I just don't get it. /rant

Re:Nokia is dead (2, Funny)

vrythmax (1555425) | more than 3 years ago | (#35275468)

Partnering with Google would have killed Nokia because it would have added 2 years of development to get their phones where they wanted them. WP7 gives them a ready to go, high-end OS that is already doing well in Europe. which gives them time to put together a strategy that will either yield an OS of their own or guide development of WP7 or Android to suit their needs.

Re:Nokia is dead (-1, Troll)

the linux geek (799780) | more than 3 years ago | (#35275476)

Linux isn't Unix, and for your information, Windows runs on over 50% of servers sold. Linux competes with Windows at the low end, and with Unix at the midrange. Mainframes and monster Unix systems own the high end (16 sockets or more).

Re:Nokia is dead (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35275560)

91% of the top 500 run Linux

http://www.top500.org/stats/list/35/osfam

Re:Nokia is dead (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35275588)

GP is taking about the commercial high end machines (think huge data processing monster at BoA).

Re:Nokia is dead (1)

binarylarry (1338699) | more than 3 years ago | (#35275704)

...which are running Linux and Enterprise Java.

Re:Nokia is dead (1)

the linux geek (799780) | more than 3 years ago | (#35276148)

Are you people fucking retarded? There is NOTHING in common between an HPC cluster and a many-socket commercial database system except that they both have lots of processors. The vast majority of Big Systems are AIX, HP-UX, Solaris, OS/400, or one of the mainframe operating systems (OS 2200, MCP, z/OS, TPF).

The amount of ignorance masquerading as knowledge on Slashdot is truly frightening.

Re:Nokia is dead (1)

ponchietto (718083) | more than 3 years ago | (#35275756)

Did you include in the equation the crapload of money Windows will fork (has already forked) to Nokia one way or the other to enter the mobile marked?

Long live Nokia! (3)

kervin (64171) | more than 3 years ago | (#35275846)

Sigh...


- You own one of the best development frameworks in the world, a framework that is 100% cross platform, and totally Unix friendly

A lot of people would argue .Net is a much better development environment than Qt. I can't understand why someone would willingly use C++ to develop user applications ( not systems dev ) in 2011. Even Android promotes Java for this.


- The world is changing. Windows is decaying on desktops. Unix runs most servers, many desktops (combining Apple + GNU/Linux + other free Unix-like systems), and is the biggest mobile player (33% Android + 16% Apple)

How is windows 'decaying'? Is that your emotional way of saying that it's losing marketshare? If so, why should Nokia care?


- You have an awesome linux-based mobile platform (meego).

Yes, unfortunately, only nerds care about that. And in case you missed Elop's many interviews, the board was focused on delivering more than just an operating system. Microsoft brings, XBox, office productivity, Bing and many other very large franchises.


- Microsoft has consistently failed on the mobile market, and is irrelevant

Many of the innovative features found on Android and IPhone today came from Microsoft and RIM. They ran the market for at least a decade before they faltered. WP7 has been out for only 3 months and has already gained 1-3% ( depends on who you ask ). That's without Nokia.


- Every organization that has ever partnered with microsoft has lost, big time

HTC made all its money before a year or two ago from Microsoft. That tiny company would never have been able to produce its own OS. Sony did the same. Dell and HP have both grown for decades using Microsoft software.

Re:Long live Nokia! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35276046)

A lot of people would argue .Net is a much better development environment than Qt.

Define "better".

Re:Long live Nokia! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35276066)

HTC's deals with Microsoft were non-exclusive. Which put them in the situation they are in now: 1 of the top 2 manufacturers of Android phones.

Except for things like not having the HTC Desire HD (Android version of HTC HD2) a year ago when the Desire came out, there doesn't seem to be much in the way of Microsoft telling HTC what to do. Nokia doesn't seem to have this kind of leeway. And they couldn't possibly thing becoming the top manufacturer of WP7 phones is going to bring that back to the top. Others also make WP7 phones so what is going to make Nokia's WP7 phones so special?

Similar principles apply to HP and Dell, although they did have that issue about 'subsidised pricing for putting Windows on laptops'.

Re:Long live Nokia! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35276170)

A lot of people would argue .Net is a much better development environment than Qt. I can't understand why someone would willingly use C++ to develop user applications ( not systems dev ) in 2011. Even Android promotes Java for this.

Whether or not you yourself would use it isn't the point. On the desktop applications can be developed in the language you want with the IDE you want and be delivered to the end user in the way that you want. What's so special about mobile phones that developers can't have that same flexibility?

Re:Long live Nokia! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35276222)

Sigh...


- Every organization that has ever partnered with microsoft has lost, big time

HTC made all its money before a year or two ago from Microsoft. That tiny company would never have been able to produce its own OS. Sony did the same. Dell and HP have both grown for decades using Microsoft software.

Dell and HP are road kill. But that is besides the point, for PC manufacturers there was no other option once users were locked into DOS/Windows. So in terms of market competition all of their competitors had the same millstone around their necks, except Apple. So now Apple has in house development, where as HP, Dell and now Nokia are at the mercy of Microsoft a company with a long track record showing an inability to break out into other markets. Apple has been successful, Microsoft loses money on everything but Office/Windows.

Re:Long live Nokia! (0)

Daengbo (523424) | more than 3 years ago | (#35276450)

I can't understand why someone would willingly use C++ to develop user applications ( not systems dev ) in 2011. Even Android promotes Java for this.

Then use JavaScript [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Long live Nokia! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35276686)

A lot of people would argue .Net is a much better development environment than Qt. I can't understand why someone would willingly use C++ to develop user applications ( not systems dev ) in 2011. Even Android promotes Java for this.

You really don't understand much then, do you? "I heard C++ is difficult and stuff" just isn't good enough. "A lot of people would argue", or "In my opinion didn't sound too convincing"?

Qt is portable, and fits in everywhere. .NET (WinForms) is not, and even where it happens to work (not-Windows) it's just butt-ugly. Besides, Qt API is (IMO) a lot better than anything Microsoft has been able to do; and the Qt people don't keep changing and deprecating everything after every couple of years.

Many of the innovative features found on Android and IPhone today came from Microsoft and RIM. They ran the market for at least a decade before they faltered. WP7 has been out for only 3 months and has already gained 1-3% ( depends on who you ask ). That's without Nokia.

Microsoft never ran the market, and RIM was only ever important in North America. WP7 has failed to gain traction even in the US which really shows how big a failure it is.

Besides, the only "innovative feature" of the iPhone was the good touch-enabled UI, which Windows Mobiles positively never had. What innovative features are you talking about?

Re:Nokia is dead (1)

pyrbrand (939860) | more than 3 years ago | (#35275864)

Every organization that has ever partnered with microsoft has lost, big time

I don't know, Intel, AMD, Dell, HP, Lenovo and a large number of other companies have done quite well over the last 30 years selling hardware for MS software.

(standard disclaimer: as my profile states, I work for MS, but not on anything related to phones)

Re:Nokia is dead (1)

Zelgadiss (213127) | more than 3 years ago | (#35276764)

Even Intel has had unpleasant dealings with MS. *cough*xbox1*cough*

But they are big enough that MS can't do much about them.

Even they know going along with MS is a bad idea in the long haul, you never know when they will backstab you once you have outlived your usefulness / when it's to their advantage.

Hence their investment in Linux.

That is only the half of it (5, Insightful)

Magnus Pym (237274) | more than 3 years ago | (#35276032)

Nokia is one of the few companies that has really good wireless baseband technology. In fact, their baseband phone chipsets are second only to Qualcomm's. They have lots of very good and probably very well-paid wireless engineers who do all this stuff. Mr. Steven Elop probably doesn't give a damn about baseband, if he even knows what it is. I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts that he will sack the entire wireless engineering division and start using chips from Qualcomm or someone else. Actually, he'll probably go for a 2nd or 3rd tier vendor for the baseband. After all, it is all about the OS and apps, right? That is all he knows.

Within a couple of years, Nokia will be another pure OEM that simply assembles phones in China based on 100% sourced components. Mr. Elop and his Wall Street buddies will enjoy a couple of years of profit because of all the cost savings due to the sacked engineers, during which his bonus will be large enough to let a couple of generations of his family live in luxury. After that, Nokia will slide down to be part with the Chinese OEMs, and Elop will go on to rape the next company.

Re:That is only the half of it (5, Informative)

YoopDaDum (1998474) | more than 3 years ago | (#35276938)

Hey, you missed part of the action it seems... A few months ago, before Elop arrived, Nokia sold its baseband division. It's now called Renesas and is an independent business. Just like every baseband vendor, they're also moving in the application processor space to provide in addition to baseband chips integrated AP+BB solutions (as Qualcomm, as ST-Ericcson, etc.).

Re:Nokia is dead (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35276332)

Every organization that has ever partnered with microsoft has lost, big time

What about Apple? If it weren't for Microsoft's financial help, they wouldn't exist now...

Re:Nokia is dead (1)

jonwil (467024) | more than 3 years ago | (#35276406)

Blame the carriers for all the crap on your Galaxy phone.
They are usually the ones that want all this crap.

Re:Nokia is dead (1)

renoX (11677) | more than 3 years ago | (#35276898)

Counting Android as Linux is a bit weird: its programming API is very different from the classic Linux distribution..

I wonder what Google view are of the use of Qt on Android, I doubt that they're thrilled about it..

As for Nokia, they didn't even port Qt on Microsoft mobile phones! So I doubt that they like Qt much (probably blaming the tool for their own problems).

Re:Nokia is dead (1)

cdp0 (1979036) | more than 3 years ago | (#35276974)

Why are technology companies boycotting themselves so badly lately? I just don't get it.

I can give you two reasons, although there are probably more possibilities:

  • the people making decisions are complete idiots
  • the people making decisions have more to win by making decisions against the greater good of the company than by helping the company, meaning there is a conflict of interests

In real life it's probably a mix of the two, with more of the second because idiots tend to be removed before they can do real harm.

I don't see the point. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35275268)

QT arose because (1) it was torture writing Win32 GUI code and (2) other cross-platform solutions were less than perfect.

But Android, even with its non-intuitive XML layouts, is already very simple to program and design for. It could be much better, certainly, but it is nowhere near the eye-bleeding torment that was the WinAPI.

And despite the many drawbacks of defining GUIs in XML, it has one advantage over WYSIWYG editors: it almost always results in interfaces being extremely lean and minimal, without the bloat and overdesign that comes from too much ease.

Re:I don't see the point. (1)

LucidBeast (601749) | more than 3 years ago | (#35276442)

I think WYSIWYG editors for UI have failed miserably. XML, HTML or even QML are one solution, simple native libraries another. It seems that the UI implementation tools are twenty years old and suitable for designing fill in forms for PC. None of the platforms really support the programmers ability innovate with the UI and everything "cool" or fluid has to be custom coded at fairly low level. Qt is/was supposed to solve this, but I'm not seeing it.

Google sucks at customer service. (0)

aristotle-dude (626586) | more than 3 years ago | (#35275286)

They make it impossible for anyone to find a way to file a complaint about their policies and some of their pages have threats of deleting your account if you ask the wrong question in the wrong place. What a bunch of first class a-holes.

Is is really that hard to have a feedback form? Do they really have to go around threatening to ban people for complaining in the wrong place?

Why do people like Android so much? People might call Apple arrogant but at least they have feedback forms and they don't threaten to ban people for asking questions.

Re:Google sucks at customer service. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35275474)

I love android, but google are hypocritical nazis. It sucks that all their software, android included are in constant beta, and there is nowhere to complain. Have a bug or feature request for a google app, they don't care. Google app developers completely ignore the android os bug tracker, cause it's a separate group from core android... /endrant

Re:Google sucks at customer service. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35275730)

Why shouldn't they ignore it? AOSP is managed by the Open Handset Alliance, not Google. Should Google answer for code not written by Google?

Re:Google sucks at customer service. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35275518)

It really is annoying. I had about half a grand in my merchent account when google shut it down for some reason. I asked for any information about what was going on, why it was done, etc. About a week later about a hundred and fifty showed up in my bank account. No explanation on how they arrived at that number, reply emails, or anything. And that was the end of it. Further emails just went into a void. I was all but a google fanboy before that. That was the point that really freaked me out though. I imagined what would happen with my other accounts in those circumstances. If picasa or gmail went away overnight.

Alternate video link (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35275294)

I had a dream (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35275298)

I had a dream, that one day I would care that QT doesn't run on Windows. I had a dream that one day you would just use a phone for a phone, and not pretend it was a personal computer. I had a dream that one day, I'd get text message spam on my phone, and yes I had a dream that I'd be able to link my facebook account to my phone just so I could see what the relationship status of my second cousin's former roommate was while I was at work. Yes my brothers and sisters I had a dream.

Found the video. (1)

RavenChild (854835) | more than 3 years ago | (#35275314)

Here's the video. There is "sexual" content in that his background isn't SFW. You have been warned if you really care about it.

http://blip.tv/file/4790125 [blip.tv] [NSFW]

Re:Found the video. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35276246)

Sexual content? It's just a naked woman!
Naked woman != sexual content

RAM usage? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35275376)

Seems like RAM (and mtd/flash storage) would go through the roof by adding Qt to Android. And the Android market has no dep resolution capability yet. So you'd have to pull all of Qt in for every project that needs to use it. Bad idea... Also you will have to manually create bindings to all of Android's core APIs to do anything useful, and you'd always be playing catch-up (or maybe you would have to just limit yourself to the ones that come in the NDK).

Re:RAM usage? (1)

LucidBeast (601749) | more than 3 years ago | (#35276470)

I thought the video said that Qt runs as a service, so you only need one instance of each element. I don't know how efficient IPC is on android. Would imagine pretty efficient.

safe after 5s (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35275464)

Using the other links people have posted its safe after 5 seconds in, just watched it at work.

Quick SFW copy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35275554)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6g1HsD5Roo (When youtube finishes processing)

puritan pukes (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35275590)

Oh no! My mind has once again been scarred by a one second glimpse of the female breast! Thank you gentle stewards of YouTube for protecting the others from reliving the Janet Jackson superbowl horror.

awesome (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35275680)

Finally Time to start porting desktop stuff to Android....

This is a golden opportunity to kick Oracle in the nuts. If this is played right this will be the first cross over netbook - mobile device.

Video removed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35275952)

how come nobody else has noticed that the YouTube video has been removed for "nudity or sexual content?" Is someone playing dirty tricks, or has the editor just not bothered to check the links???

KDE is qt now too, correct? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35276184)

n/t

System wide? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35276750)

I had a dream that one day, all Qt applications will use system wide shared Qt libraries

Does that mean that some day Qt will support system wide "make install"? I've tried installing Qt on my desktop PC, and the install instructions says that this is not supported, just set some environment variable to point to the build directory.

I had a dream ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35276828)

This is all great news, but really, what's with the "I had a dream" speech ?! This is actually rather embarrassing. It's just a darn software library!

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