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Adobe Stops Flash Player Support For Android

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the writing-on-the-wall dept.

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New submitter Craefter writes "Adobe has finally seen the same light Steve Jobs did in 2010 and is now committed to putting mobile Flash player in the history books as soon as possible. Adobe will not develop and test Flash player for Android 4.1 and will now focus on a PC browsing and apps. In a blog post, they wrote, 'Devices that don’t have the Flash Player provided by the manufacturer typically are uncertified, meaning the manufacturer has not completed the certification testing requirements. In many cases users of uncertified devices have been able to download the Flash Player from the Google Play Store, and in most cases it worked. However, with Android 4.1 this is no longer going to be the case, as we have not continued developing and testing Flash Player for this new version of Android and its available browser options. There will be no certified implementations of Flash Player for Android 4.1. Beginning August 15th we will use the configuration settings in the Google Play Store to limit continued access to Flash Player updates to only those devices that have Flash Player already installed. Devices that do not have Flash Player already installed are increasingly likely to be incompatible with Flash Player and will no longer be able to install it from the Google Play Store after August 15th.'"

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Where are all those Flash is the Future ppl now? (4, Insightful)

Tufriast (824996) | more than 2 years ago | (#40492519)

I don't think anyone is gonna sit down here with this plate of crow and some ketchup. But, can anyone deny Jobs's statement was inaccurate now? http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/ [apple.com] Just sayin.

Re:Where are all those Flash is the Future ppl now (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40492615)

I haven't read what he said, but Flash was a piece of shit that should have been killed LONG before the iphone was even a twinkle in Jobs eyes.

In other words, he was not so much a leader in Flash hate as a very late follower, so what he thought or said about it, not so important.

What instead of Flash? (2)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#40492657)

I haven't read what he said, but Flash was a piece of shit that should have been killed LONG before the iphone

Then what would you prefer that animators use instead of Flash for their web animations?

Re:What instead of Flash? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40492699)

Get a proper job?

Re:What instead of Flash? (4, Informative)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#40492721)

I imagine Adobe would suggest they use Edge, but you could use Animator, Sencha, Radi, or you could make your cartoon into a normal video and post that.

Lots of ways to skin that cat.

Re:What instead of Flash? (4, Informative)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#40493337)

you could make your cartoon into a normal video and post that.

This bloats the file size by a factor of ten, which costs the publisher ten times as much to send and the viewers ten times as much to receive.

Re:What instead of Flash? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40492819)

I haven't read what he said, but Flash was a piece of shit that should have been killed LONG before the iphone

Then what would you prefer that animators use instead of Flash for their web animations?

HTML5

HTML5 didn't exist (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#40493417)

HTML5 didn't exist when a lot of the classic Flash toons were first published. HTML5 toons don't play in IE 8 without Chrome Frame, which is far less widely deployed than Flash Player. And even today, what product should people use to edit HTML5 toons or to update their existing Flash toons to HTML5?

Re:What instead of Flash? (2)

otakuj462 (1071510) | more than 2 years ago | (#40492905)

SVG + SMIL

SVG+SMIL is unsupported according to caniuse (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#40493397)

I just checked on caniuse.com today. SVG+SMIL doesn't work [caniuse.com] on any version of Internet Explorer (even IE 9) or on existing Android phones (which run Android 2.3), and the page states that it's "not working in HTML files" in Safari on Mac or iOS. And even today, what product should people use to edit SVG+SMIL toons?

Re:What instead of Flash? (5, Funny)

fizzer06 (1500649) | more than 2 years ago | (#40493257)

Power Point (tm) of course!

Re:What instead of Flash? (3, Interesting)

Remus Shepherd (32833) | more than 2 years ago | (#40493689)

Then what would you prefer that animators use instead of Flash for their web animations?

I'd like a good answer to this also.

Right now there are three main applications designed for HTML5 animation (as opposed to HTML5 apps): Adobe Edge, Sencha Animator, and Tumult Hype. I know nothing about any of them. Some quick googling suggests that they're all new and still unproven, in various stages of polish and completeness.

The problem, I feel, is that Flash is being ostracized from the net too quickly, before mature tools to replace it are ready. I'm sure there will be a program that will allow hobbyists, amateurs, and professionals alike to create animations in the new standard of HTML5. But the software isn't quite mature yet. Certainly not as polished and feature-packed as Flash.

I just hope HTML5 lasts. If we go through a purge like this every few years, animation on the web may never fully recover.

Re:Where are all those Flash is the Future ppl now (4, Insightful)

oh_my_080980980 (773867) | more than 2 years ago | (#40492673)

Except for that fact that NO ONE decided to kill flash from their system. Jobs did. That decision made Jobs a leader.

Re:Where are all those Flash is the Future ppl now (3, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#40492759)

He decided to kill it to prevent applications that did not use the iOS store from running on iPhone. It had nothing to do with flash sucking and everything to do with control of the platform.

Re:Where are all those Flash is the Future ppl now (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40493185)

That's a little obtuse. We know that there was a concerted effort within adobe to get flash to run well on mobile and Jobs had an inside look at that effort. The conclusion was that mobile flash was always going to be more buggy than desktop flash and that it was too much of a memory hog to be viable.

Re:Where are all those Flash is the Future ppl now (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40493369)

That's a little obtuse. We know that there was a concerted effort within adobe to get flash to run well on mobile and Jobs had an inside look at that effort. The conclusion was that mobile flash was always going to be more buggy than desktop flash and that it was too much of a memory hog to be viable.

Gay are yo?

The why... (3, Insightful)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 2 years ago | (#40493715)

He decided to kill it to prevent applications that did not use the iOS store from running on iPhone.

Then why did Apple so heavily promote HTML apps, even after the App Store came around... year after year they have added more support to help HTML apps look and feel like native apps and able to use the same APIs.

Re:Where are all those Flash is the Future ppl now (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40492825)

Who else had that kind of control over user's systems? In almost all operating systems and browsers, the user had enough freedom that a flash installer could install flash.

Re:Where are all those Flash is the Future ppl now (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40493219)

Bullshit. If Jobs wanted to lead the way to destroying flash he should have banned it from OS X too. The fact that he didn't just proves what everyone has said all along that the real intention of banning Flash on iOS is to eliminate an avenue for people to make money selling stuff without paying an Apple tax.

Re:Where are all those Flash is the Future ppl now (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40493419)

Flash is no longer shipped with OSX.

Re:Where are all those Flash is the Future ppl now (1, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#40492669)

Was anyone denying it then?

Jobs was no sage, Flash was known to be utter garbage for many years before he spouted off on the topic.

He did not say those things because he meant them, they were said because if iOS ran flash then applications could have been used on it that were not vetted by Apple.

Re:Where are all those Flash is the Future ppl now (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40492731)

Amazing that all of the Android fanbois will now say "We never wanted it. It was trash." Even though they touted it as a 'feature'after Apple refused to allow it.

Whatever... ;)

Re:Where are all those Flash is the Future ppl now (5, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#40492775)

The feature was being allowed to have it if I wanted, not flash itself. I don't have it installed on my phone, but I do on my tablet. Amazon video for instance uses it. My fear is this will mean online video sites will start making their own apps that do not work on my linux desktops.

Re:Where are all those Flash is the Future ppl now (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40492959)

Yeah, until a Flash replacement becomes ubiquitous enough to be used by the majority of online video sites, Flash will have its niche. Dumb move, Adobe.

Re:Where are all those Flash is the Future ppl now (5, Insightful)

chrb (1083577) | more than 2 years ago | (#40492739)

But, can anyone deny Jobs's statement was inaccurate now?

I do not think that means [wikipedia.org] what you think it means.

Re:Where are all those Flash is the Future ppl now (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40492851)

Jobs wasn't right, but his statement was self-fulfilling. Adobe abandoned the mobile Flash Player BECAUSE Apple would never allow it on iOS, and iOS owned too much of the market for Flash to have a chance on mobile without it.

It had nothing to do with Flash being unable to work well on mobile. The benchmarks show conclusively that Flash performs better on Android than HTML5+JS. Further proof of this is that Flash continues to work well and be supported for app development on both iOS and Android. And by "works well," I mean that some of the top selling apps for iOS were made with Flash.

Re:Where are all those Flash is the Future ppl now (1, Insightful)

PortHaven (242123) | more than 2 years ago | (#40493213)

YES Jobs statement was inaccurate. But his war on Flash was successful.

I just wished that instead of wasting time trying to kill Flash he had simply fixed the piece of frakking divinely condemned fecal matter that is iTunes. (Sorry for the profanity, but I have NEVER EVER in my life dealt with a worse piece of software.

How did Apple "waste time"? (2)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 2 years ago | (#40493691)

I just wished that instead of wasting time trying to kill Flash
In what way did Apple "waste time"? Instead, they saved a HUGE amount of time by not having to try and optimize Flash to the point it would work well on a limited chipset, but not having to worry about browser integration.

Apple didn't try to kill flash so much as they said "we see no place for it on mobile" and then proceed to spend resources on other things. So instead of wasting time, you have to ask just what else would have been not quite as well done in order to have Flash support to begin with.

Re:Where are all those Flash is the Future ppl now (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40493511)

But, can anyone deny Jobs's statement was inaccurate now?

I, for one, cannot deny the clear abundance of innacuracy in Steve Jobs's claims.

Such as if anyone here would even bother to look at the summary, which greatly contradicts the title, and notice that Flash is not going away. All that's going away is Adobe's efforts to make an installer for Flash that will work on every stupid Chinese variant of Android.

Re:Where are all those Flash is the Future ppl now (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40493563)

Steve Jobs:

First, there’s “Open”. Adobe’s Flash products are 100% proprietary.

We cannot be at the mercy of a third party deciding if and when they will make our enhancements available to our developers.

HAY GUIZE, THE FOUNDAR OF APPEL IS COMPLAINING THAT ADOBE IS NO FAIR BECUZ FLASCH IS NOT OPEN. OH NOES!

Re:Where are all those Flash is the Future ppl now (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40493569)

This sucks. I just ordered my first tablet last night, and now the next day I read this. I went with Android because I like to play web games to kill time.

Flash is an annoying dirty whore when used to spam my eyeballs with advertisements and annoying audio, however, it is needed for some things. It's everywhere, works on ancient browsers like IE4, it's nice for video, and how many HTML5 games are out there? One? All the games I play are Flash.

Dislike

Re:Where are all those Flash is the Future ppl now (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40493583)

So, what is the future? HTML 5 is lacking and even Apple has now admitted that.

Do you really think that everyone will follow Apple and jump to Objective C? Or are you one of the lunatics that think that Java script can be used for everything; processing power/memory/storage is cheap...

Good (5, Insightful)

MrDoh! (71235) | more than 2 years ago | (#40492525)

It's filled a gap, but with better apps, chrome being integrated now, time to let it retire gracefully.
Sure there'll be a way to sideload it just in case it is needed for something in particular.

That's the thing, when Jobs said it should die, many agreed, but to not (at the time) offer an alternative, wasn't the best way to handle it. The web moves on, html5 (and the browsers) are more common, standards are just about standardised.

Bye flash. Take a chair next to the blink tag over there.

Re:Good (5, Insightful)

oh_my_080980980 (773867) | more than 2 years ago | (#40492677)

HTML 5 was offered as a solution.

Re:Good (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#40492799)

One that is still not yet fully replacing what flash did.

How will amazon do video now? I doubt it will be HTML5, and even more likely it will not work unless you are running Windows or OSX.

Re:Good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40492941)

How will amazon do video now?

WebM

Re:Good (1)

NatasRevol (731260) | more than 2 years ago | (#40493291)

Why can't they do it just like youtube?

What's stopping them?

Re:Good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40493675)

DRM

Re:Good (1)

guises (2423402) | more than 2 years ago | (#40492717)

I'll be glad to see flash go as well, but don't you think this is a little premature? Flash is still almost ubiquitous for web-based video and games, and that's not a small market. Adobe could, I'm sure, easily maintain profitability for another 3-4 years as Flash slowly declines, instead of just killing it as they seem to be doing. There's no more Linux client either, if you recall.

Flash is extremely annoying when you don't want it, but it's pretty nice to have around when you go to seek it out. Flash games seem to be where a lot of the innovation is in game making, we wouldn't have Burnout Crash, Angry Birds, all that Zynga garbage... Not all innovation is good, but a low barrier to entry does spawn new ideas and HTML 5 isn't there yet. There's no good replacement for Flash in that respect right now.

Re:Good (1)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 2 years ago | (#40492719)

That's the thing, when Jobs said it should die, many agreed, but to not (at the time) offer an alternative, wasn't the best way to handle it.

Yes it was. It was absolutely the best way to handle it. Offering an alternative would have just dragged things out and offered a subpar product. Say whatever you want about Jobs but he was not afraid to cut the cord if he felt that a technology had run its course and when he's done so, it's made a drastic shift happen quickly. Flash (on mobile devices) is but one example of that and I, for one, am glad for it. Flash sucks. Despite what some people will say, Flash sucks. Hardcore. It dying out faster rather than slower is a good thing.

Re:Good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40492789)

Yeah, unless you have to support government users in which case you'll have to support IE8 for the next few years.

Which sucks balls.

Re:Good (1)

fermion (181285) | more than 2 years ago | (#40492995)

For the phone, the main reason flash had to go was the ads. You load a webpage with several flash ads, and the battery and performance is going to be drained. There is no reason to have flash on a phone, if you can guarantee that the flash is not going to autorun. Really only the lack of autoplay was the only thing that was needed to keep performance up. However, that would break the model that has kept flash in the forefront, the only advertisement delivery system that is not under use control by default.

For years I did not have flash on my computer precisely because it was such a resource drain. Eventually with the advent of flash blockers, flash became a possibility. However the one thing that keeps me from Android is the existance of Flash. There are times when lack of flash is extremely annoying, but overall I don't miss it.

Re:Good (3, Informative)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#40493095)

The android browser can be set to start plugins on click instead of autorun. It has had this feature for a long time.

And... (4, Insightful)

piripiri (1476949) | more than 2 years ago | (#40492527)

Nothing of value was lost.

Re:And... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40493547)

Bye, Joe Cartoon!

Finally (0)

ArAgost (853804) | more than 2 years ago | (#40492529)

Not a day too soon. Flash needs to go the way of the Dodo ASAP, with its one-platform-or-you're-SOL approach.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it, and... (1)

fleeped (1945926) | more than 2 years ago | (#40492555)

if it's broke, bin it.
I wouldn't like to imagine what a mess it is, so that they're giving up on fixing it.

In summary (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40492559)

In summary, "We have too many customers, too much market share, and wholly believe that's a bad thing, especially in light of the looming competition from open standards such as HTML5."

Re:In summary (3, Insightful)

Anne Thwacks (531696) | more than 2 years ago | (#40493687)

In short, the same strategy as RIM!

DaFuq? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40492567)

One of the biggest reasons to get an Android phone.... gone.

Re:DaFuq? (2)

oh_my_080980980 (773867) | more than 2 years ago | (#40492695)

You can always get a blackberry...oh wait....

The best part of android lost (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40492587)

Being able to browse the web in full and view flash contents is on of the best features of android phones. Flash has been a useful technology and I don't understand why it's being viewed as a good thing that it's going away. I understand open standards being used opposed to proprietary technology, but this seems more important for developers than end users. I honestly don't care how I get the content as long as I can, but why not continue to develop the technology that sets the phone apart?

Re:The best part of android lost (-1, Troll)

oh_my_080980980 (773867) | more than 2 years ago | (#40492711)

Wow an Adobe troll. Nice...

Re:The best part of android lost (3, Interesting)

queazocotal (915608) | more than 2 years ago | (#40493273)

I personally want flash on my new device.
Do I want flash to die - yes.
Unfortunately, some websites that I am locked into require flash, and being unable to use these on my new device will simply mean lack of flexibility and me needing to lug two devices, or use my old one.

Re:The best part of android lost (1)

TheReaperD (937405) | more than 2 years ago | (#40493677)

Part of the point of this is that by removing flash as an option these websites will be forced to redesign and get rid of Flash.

Re:The best part of android lost (1)

Dog-Cow (21281) | more than 2 years ago | (#40492723)

Maybe because Adobe has no vested interest in whether you buy an Android or iOS phone?

Re:The best part of android lost (1)

Eponymous Coward (6097) | more than 2 years ago | (#40493027)

why not continue to develop the technology that sets the phone apart?

This is an easy one to answer: because it isn't profitable and it's pretty clear that it will be even less so in the future.

Flash would have been fine (2)

Shavano (2541114) | more than 2 years ago | (#40492603)

If Adobe had given it a stable interface it could have Bern a real and useful standard. Instead, Adobe never setlled its interface which made it unmanageable to support across a variety of devices.

and... (2, Insightful)

second_coming (2014346) | more than 2 years ago | (#40492629)

zero fucks were given

Re:and... (2)

dmacleod808 (729707) | more than 2 years ago | (#40492785)

And so my children when Adobe announced that the light had gone out, that it would not flash anymore... Not a single fuck was given that day, nor forevermore.

But the rest of the web still uses it... (1)

Kyrene (624175) | more than 2 years ago | (#40492641)

...and without that support, you're screwed for mobile web surfing. One of the major reasons why I didn't go with the iPhone vs the Android was that Flash support. I'm not sure how this was "seeing the light" at all. :-/

Re:But the rest of the web still uses it... (4, Insightful)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 2 years ago | (#40492753)

I've had an iOS device for many years now and I can literally count on one hand the number of times I _NEEDED_ Flash. And, as time goes by, that number is not growing - any website with even a vague hint of what's going on offers an alternative to Flash because they know cutting out the rather large mobile market is a bad idea.

The only real impact the lack of Flash has had is that I don't see Flash advertising and, believe me when I say, I don't miss one second of it.

Re:But the rest of the web still uses it... (4, Interesting)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#40492833)

You must not go out to eat very often.

Lots of restaurants still have their menus or even entire sites done in flash. I notice because I use Chrome on android which does not have flash and have to switch to firefox when I hit a site that depends on it.

Re:But the rest of the web still uses it... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40492899)

I eat out all the time. The menus are almost always available in Yelp.

Re:But the rest of the web still uses it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40492971)

The proper response then to GO TO ANOTHER RESTAURANT. I've done similar things MANY times. If going through flash is the only option, I will not purchase from that site/supplier. In the old days I used to mail them a "FYI" so they could improve, but I don't do that any more. If they're still cluesless in 2012, nothing anyone can say will change them.

Re:But the rest of the web still uses it... (4, Informative)

JDG1980 (2438906) | more than 2 years ago | (#40493713)

Lots of restaurants still have their menus or even entire sites done in flash. I notice because I use Chrome on android which does not have flash and have to switch to firefox when I hit a site that depends on it.

Then complain to those restaurants. Tell the manager/owner: "Did you know that the menus on your website don't work on the iPad or iPhone?" (Don't bother mentioning Android; just stick to the iPad/iPhone since everyone knows what it is.) Most likely this crap was done by a cut-rate web development shop without their knowledge. I don't think most restaurants want to lose business from mobile users if they can help it.

Re:But the rest of the web still uses it... (1)

Dog-Cow (21281) | more than 2 years ago | (#40492761)

And this is exactly why you shouldn't buy a device that relies on proprietary, and 3rd party at that, support.

The bottom line is that Adobe has no idea that you exist, who you are or that you bought an Android phone. And if they did know, they'd still not care.

As an aside, I do browsing on my iPad all the time. Obviously Flash doesn't work, but you'd apparently be amazed to know that it doesn't hinder me all that much. I hardly feel "screwed".

Re:But the rest of the web still uses it... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40492937)

And this is exactly why you shouldn't buy a device that relies on proprietary, and 3rd party at that, support.

...I do browsing on my iPad all the time.

Head asplode.

Re:But the rest of the web still uses it... (1)

Dog-Cow (21281) | more than 2 years ago | (#40493043)

My iPad works as-is, whether or not Apple chooses to continue support. In fact, iOS 6 is indeed not supported.

I did not buy an iPad to use Flash, relying on Adobe to keep up with Apple as iOS was updated. Remember, it was the poster I replied to who said he was screwed without Flash. I am not screwed without iOS 6.

Re:But the rest of the web still uses it... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40492797)

You must be new here, the clueless apple fans on this site have virtually killed it off. Slashdot is following its leader jobs down into the grave.

Btw check out air if u want to see why adobe are taking this step.

Re:But the rest of the web still uses it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40493701)

I'm checking out AIR right now. Can you elaborate on what you mean?

Thanks,
C

aww darn (5, Insightful)

slashmydots (2189826) | more than 2 years ago | (#40492713)

Awwww man, without flash player, how are people going to rig mobile websites to load viruses onto my phone? It was an even bigger plugin security hole than its PC counterpart.

Industry failure (4, Insightful)

skaag (206358) | more than 2 years ago | (#40492751)

It seems people are too harsh on Flash, for no reason really.

Personally I see it as a failure of the tech world to understand why some people were stubbornly holding on to Flash.

Flash was a very easy way for product designers to develop some pretty advanced client side technologies, with a plugin that had more than 90% adoption rates. iOS changed that, much to adobe's chagrin.

But like some commenters said, this technology is now being killed without proper replacements. You still can't do socket communications directly from within a browser without using plugins. Definitely not with UDP. This was one of the reasons Flash was awesome. It filled the gap of all those features missing in a browser (or available only in some and not in others).

And let's not even start with the authoring tool - I have yet to see a tool that was as friendly and intuitive as Adobe's for producing Flash apps.

It's not dead yet (3, Informative)

Clueless Nick (883532) | more than 2 years ago | (#40492901)

They have only killed it for Linux and Android, and it never existed for iOS. You can still target Windows and OSX users with it, do not despair.

Re:Industry failure (2)

FiloEleven (602040) | more than 2 years ago | (#40492957)

I agree. And for web game developers, Flash is still the best tech out there. HTML5 is okay, but still not terribly mature (and don't get me started on sound) or consistently implemented. Meanwhile on the Flash platform you have at least two mature, useful frameworks--FlashPunk and Flixel--that allow for quick prototyping and rich development.

Not to mention AS3 is prettier and friendlier than Javascript...

Re:Industry failure (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#40493015)

Setting the bar higher for authoring tools is a good thing. It will hopefully prevent another generation of animated, shiny and near devoid of text websites. Nothing like trying to find a restaurant menu when the website has clearly been done by the owners kid with a pirated copy of the Adobe suite.

Re:Industry failure (2)

Eponymous Coward (6097) | more than 2 years ago | (#40493137)

Flash was never suitable for phones because it is a major battery hog. Fixing the problem would mean shifting development from low-bid contractors to people who actually know what they are doing and that's very expensive. Adobe needs to earn money for their shareholders, so they really have no other choice.

IOW, the problem wasn't in the tech world, it was in the business world. Adobe made development decisions on how they would affect next quarter and the result was a product with no long-term future.

Re:Industry failure (0)

Teresita (982888) | more than 2 years ago | (#40493477)

Flash was never suitable for phones because it is a major battery hog.

Only need it for a few minutes in the bathroom surfin' You Porn. Now you boys are back to using magazines.

Re:Industry failure (1)

ClaraBow (212734) | more than 2 years ago | (#40493355)

They are just killing the mobile version not the desktop! Google Chrome has it built into the browser, so it will be around for quite some time! The mobile version never worked outside of using it to watch videos. It was very inconsistant from device to device, not to mention that it drained my battery and turned my tablet into a hot plate!

Big bucks in motion (1)

mauriceh (3721) | more than 2 years ago | (#40492791)

I wonder how much Apple had to pay them for this?

Seriously, if you think they are surrendering one of the crown jewels for free, you would be hopelessly naive.

Re:Big bucks in motion (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40492875)

I'd rather be naive than as deluded as you

Re:Big bucks in motion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40492915)

Dork.

Re:Big bucks in motion (3, Informative)

NatasRevol (731260) | more than 2 years ago | (#40493385)

Wow, you obviously have no clue as to the history of Apple & Adobe.

See desktop publishing tools. Here's a start:
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2010/04/14/chronicles-of-conflict-the-history-of-adobe-vs-apple/ [roughlydrafted.com]

Adobe fucked Apple at it's low. Apple took this chance to pay them back, and then some.

Only one conclusion possible: Android is dying (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40492881)

Check it out, Adobe is now abandoning Android. They see the writing on the wall for a massively fractured un-usable platform that is really only picked up by those people who don't know any better. Apple dumped flash ages ago, and now Adobe's actions show that it was the right decision and that Android is going nowhere fast. Just look at Google IO this year, not a single useful announcement, more Apple-copying and more catching up to the iPad, and yet Android is still 5 years behind iOS and is even now starting to fall significantly behind Windows Mobile in almost every respect. This is what happens when you build a platform on top of open sores software, you quickly lose any momentum you may have as the "design by committee" nature of open sores shows up dragging you down and hurting every effort you make to improve the situation.

So congratulations to Adobe for getting of the hindenberg before it explodes.

Think different.
Think BETTER.
Think Apple!

What really happened (4, Funny)

Grayhand (2610049) | more than 2 years ago | (#40492885)

A bony skeletal hand reaches out from a grave and chokes the life out of Flash.

how about Adobe AIR? (1)

DFAoBolinho (736714) | more than 2 years ago | (#40492925)

I work in a company that insists in using Flash and AIR for mobile products - I've tried unsuccessfully to convince the management to switch to native development. With this news, does anyone knows what Adobe is planning in regard to AIR? Some news that Adobe was kicking AIR aside would be wonderful to finally convince them to make the switch.

Goodbye, flash (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 2 years ago | (#40492933)

One wonders why they're bothering to support it on Windows; if they're dropping support for more devices — first all the non-Chrome Linux systems, now all Android devices? Is this some sort of attack on Linux?

But since Flash is becoming less cross-platform I'm imagining that developers will leave in droves, and that at least some of them will be smart enough to avoid Adobe for their next solution...

Re:Goodbye, flash (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 2 years ago | (#40493083)

on windows it's making them directly money on their report spreadsheets, due to flash development tools being on windows(and there's huge use and demand still there, from flash games to stupid adverts to streaming shit).

however, they have awful time metering the income that comes from supporting the mobile platforms, they always had. they never found anyone to pay them a bill specifically just for supporting the mobile platforms(manufacturers weren't going to go for paying for it without there already being something worthwhile on it).

actually adobe fucked up big time with flash lite back in the day: they asked money for it(it was during a time they could have actually replaced j2me as major runtime on mobiles, but they fucked it up totally). try selling a five bucks sms app that needs the user to go pay ten bucks with a credit card online and download the runtime and you'll notice that fuck no, the users aren't going to go for it.

it's just beancounters at work, it's not like they care about technical prowess too much.

Re:Goodbye, flash (3, Funny)

Spad (470073) | more than 2 years ago | (#40493105)

At a guess, they've drafted all the former Linux & Android Flash devs to work full time on trying to patch the Windows version roughly as fast as new vulnerabilities are being discovered.

Not seeing the light, seeing the fragments (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#40492935)

This isn't Adobe seeing the light of Flash being bad for mobile, it's Adobe seeing the Fragmentation in the Android world, and despite their professed commitment to Apple's bad Flash decision in the unFragmented iPhone world, they're giving up on supporting so many favors of Android. It's a problem that's probably too late for Google to reverse.

Read the Jobs biography (1)

Iconoc (2646179) | more than 2 years ago | (#40493023)

I don't have the book in front of me, but Jobs issue with flash was personal. As I recall, Adobe didn't do something he had expected years prior. He had a good memory and never would have chosen flash since it was personal.

This Ain't Fantasy Land (4, Informative)

sl4shd0rk (755837) | more than 2 years ago | (#40493113)

The headline isn't entirely accurate. Adobe is only supporting flash on Android devices in which it is currently installed. In August, if you don't have flash installed, you ain't gettin' it. They've also come up with a list of "certified" Android hardware whatever in the hell that's actually supposed to accomplish.

Now then, notice that Adobe continues to support and develop Flash for the Windows platform. This is the largest marketshare of desktops out there. If Adobe "saw the light" , and conceeded to some Apple fanboi fantasy land, they would most certainly be dropping all Flash support across the board and declare it "not a profitable direction for the company" or some other such reason.

The fact that Adobe has Nixed the Linux version of Flash for FireFox, and now raising issue with Android, leads me to wonder why they are focused on crippling the two most open and alternative systems out there.

"and will now focus on a PC browsing and apps" (1)

freezin fat guy (713417) | more than 2 years ago | (#40493119)

Dear Adobe, Please focus on your excellent developer tools and let Flash die.

I'm gonna miss Flash (1)

Lord Lode (1290856) | more than 2 years ago | (#40493187)

Thousands and thousands of games. All playable on Linux. And this is going away :(
What a shame.

Many of these games are crap, but there are some really good ones out there.

The ability to have a single file contain a complete game with audio, graphics, and so, and have that work on all current OSes, which people could play simply by giving them the link to it, no install needed, or download locally and play offline there, was pretty awesome. Those times will be no more :(

Re:I'm gonna miss Flash (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#40493289)

Chrome will continue to support flash on linux.

Re:I'm gonna miss Flash (1)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 2 years ago | (#40493401)

Chrome will continue to support flash on linux.

mod parent up! This is bound to increase the adoption of chrome

Stupidity (0)

mlwmohawk (801821) | more than 2 years ago | (#40493499)

Adobe has always struck me as a company long on luck and short on actual execution. Flash sucks, but in the beginning, it sucked less than the alternatives. Rather than making it suck less over time, they kept making it worse. Eventually it sucked more than the alternatives.

Now, you take the "Most popular" mobile platform in the mobile market which continues to grow, and you abandon it to focus on the desktop computing market which continues to shrink.

Yup, these guys at Adobe really realy know what they are doing. Busness 101, NOT!

Competition? (1)

fufufang (2603203) | more than 2 years ago | (#40493603)

I think by Flash apps could compete against iOS apps, and that's why Jobs wanted to kill it.

Killing it on Linux too! (1)

fa2k (881632) | more than 2 years ago | (#40493725)

Spad said this in a comment above, but they also are killing Flash on desktop LInux ! It seems like that should be mentioned, as this is slashdot, maybe the site with most linux users in the world (was there a previous article,maybe?)

From the roadmap linked from the article;

Linux: Adobe has been working closely with Google to develop a single, modern API for hosting plug-ins within the browser. [...] Adobe has been able to partner with Google in providing a "Pepper" [ http://code.google.com/p/ppapi/ [google.com] ] implementation of Flash Player for all x86/64 platforms supported by the Google Chrome browser [...]For Flash Player releases after 11.2, the Flash Player browser plug-in for Linux will only be available via the "Pepper" API as part of the Google Chrome browser distribution and will no longer be available as a direct download from Adobe. Adobe will continue to provide security updates to non-Pepper distributions of Flash Player 11.2 on Linux for five years from its release.

It's a good thing that Flash use is declining...

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