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CyanogenMod Domain Hijacked

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the greed-is-the-silent-enemy dept.

Android 143

An anonymous reader writes "The team behind CyanogenMod, one of the most popular community-driven, Android-based operating systems for phones and tablets, has announced that they're moving to Cyanogenmod.org after their .com domain was held ransom by a community member. He had been in control of the .com domain name for some time, but the team found out he was impersonating Cyanogen to make deals with community sites. When they removed his access to other parts of the CM infrastructure, he demanded $10,000 to relinquish control of the domain and threatened to change the DNS entries. When they refused to pay, he went through with it. The team is now disputing control of the domain with ICANN. They said, 'We will continue to be open about the what, when, how, but unfortunately, we may never know the "why" – though greed comes to mind. The team itself has not made a profit off of CM and that is not our goal. But to have one of our own betray the community like this is beyond our comprehension.'"

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Nice guy! (5, Insightful)

Threni (635302) | more than 2 years ago | (#41985565)

Sounds like a real asshole. Enjoy the domain why you can - it'll be taken from you, or it'll be rendered worthless when the responsible adults get their own domain. Either way it's worthless.

Re:Nice guy! (-1, Troll)

noh8rz10 (2716597) | more than 2 years ago | (#41985593)

this is why I use apple - you never know who hijacked a domain and is now serving malicous software packages. this sounds like some douche who wants some dough, but what if it were chinese hackers and they wanted to take over cell phones?

Re:Nice guy! (-1, Flamebait)

viperidaenz (2515578) | more than 2 years ago | (#41985607)

It was Chinese hackers wanting to take over cellphones, they'd do it in the Chinese factories that make the iPhones and load the software on to them.

Re:Nice guy! (-1, Offtopic)

Goose In Orbit (199293) | more than 2 years ago | (#41985639)

What has this got to do with you using Apple?

Re:Nice guy! (5, Informative)

Charliemopps (1157495) | more than 2 years ago | (#41985949)

He's just trying to reenforce the stereotype that all apple users are uninformed, arrogant douche bags that will take any opportunity to pop the brand name "Apple" into a conversation.

Re:Nice guy! (-1, Troll)

r1348 (2567295) | more than 2 years ago | (#41986117)

He probably also have that dread Apple logo sticker on his Smart Roadster or something...

Re:Nice guy! (-1, Flamebait)

AaronLS (1804210) | more than 2 years ago | (#41986707)

I can think of another OS that's populated by a few arrogant d bags, though usually pretty well informed except when they want to selective ignore certain facts because it doesn't support their polarized d baggery(I don't think baggery is a word but whatever).

Re:Nice guy! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41987515)

you must be new here...

Re:Nice guy! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41985673)

sounds racist.

Re:Nice guy! (5, Funny)

KiloByte (825081) | more than 2 years ago | (#41985815)

this is why I use apple - you never know who hijacked a domain and is now serving malicous software packages.

Judging from stories here on /. and elsewhere, indeed apple.com is serving malicious software packages through its app store.

Re:Nice guy! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41987693)

Except Android and Cyanogenmod are open source and available for all too see. With iOS, you're taking it purely on faith.

Re:Nice guy! (5, Insightful)

screwdriver (691980) | more than 2 years ago | (#41987961)

Cyanogenmod is not an official Android release. You can't get it from the google store, it has to be installed on a device that you've rooted. If you jailbreak your iPod, expect similar results if you download unofficial unsigned apps.

It'll be worth rather a lot, actually (4, Interesting)

Rix (54095) | more than 2 years ago | (#41985611)

Even just putting up a standard ad landing page would generate income, there.

We'll see if ICANN just brings down the hammer for powerful corporations here.

Re:Nice guy! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41985623)

I was think more along the lines of fuckbag, but asshole works, too.

Re:Nice guy! (2)

Kenja (541830) | more than 2 years ago | (#41985723)

Sure, he's a jerk. But he cant really hold something he owns hostage. This is often the issue with community organizations. Without proper structure you end up with some random member owning chunks of the system.

Re:Nice guy! (3, Insightful)

ShieldW0lf (601553) | more than 2 years ago | (#41985847)

Sure, he's a jerk. But he cant really hold something he owns hostage.

There's no utility in "owning" a listing in a public directory for an organization that you're not a part of beyond misrepresenting yourself and deceiving the public. If the existing rules don't recognize that, that doesn't that we need to distort reality and pretend that what he's doing is perfectly right and good, it means that means the rules need to be fixed.

Name and shame again and again. (5, Interesting)

couchslug (175151) | more than 2 years ago | (#41985727)

Whenever the subject is brought up, it would be appropriate to NAME the perp and note his background info.

No libel, no slander, just sufficient identification that anyone considering teaming with this fellow can make a fully informed decision.

It's not revenge, just self-defense.

Re:Name and shame again and again. (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41985773)

Re:Name and shame again and again. (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41985977)

Ahmet's page is here: https://plus.google.com/u/0/116028512018932696380

He works for MetServe Enterprises http://www.metserve.com/ whose site is currently down - strangely :)
Which makes this post ironic: https://plus.google.com/u/0/117025707475158348263/posts/W68Z3GyCmce

Re:Name and shame again and again. (1)

Nyder (754090) | more than 2 years ago | (#41986519)

Ahmet's page is here: https://plus.google.com/u/0/116028512018932696380 [google.com]

He works for MetServe Enterprises http://www.metserve.com/ [metserve.com] whose site is currently down - strangely :)
Which makes this post ironic: https://plus.google.com/u/0/117025707475158348263/posts/W68Z3GyCmce [google.com]

Wow, a capcha to enter Metserve.com...

From Metserve.com:

Why am I seeing this page?

Your IP address based on the country, region or network has been flagged by the website owner.
What should I do?

Completing the challenge above proves you are a human and gives you temporary access. You can ask the website owner to permanently whitelist you.

Guess he's preparing for a shitstorm... lol

Re:Name and shame again and again. (5, Informative)

darkmeridian (119044) | more than 2 years ago | (#41987461)

He claims that he has transferred it back to CM:

"Ahmet Deveci8:22 PM - Public
For the record, regarding: cyanogenmod.com

Following the saga from : http://www.cyanogenmod.org/blog/psa-transition-to-cyanogenmod-org [cyanogenmod.org] it would appear that I have been labelled a 'thief' an 'extortionist' a 'liar' and a bunch of other somewhat degrading comments.

The domain name has since been transferred to the CM Team, but I wanted to make a few things clear.

I purchased the CyanogenMod.com domain name 3 years ago and have been responsible for the renewal fees ever since. This means I (my company) legally owned the domain name. It was fully registered in the United Kingdom. I hear people saying about âtrademarkâ(TM). Yes, CyanogenMod is now a registered trademark in the US. But the domain was registered in the UK well before that trademark. I donâ(TM)t want to get into any legal battles here, but US trademarkâ(TM)s are not valid in the UK unless they are registered here with the IPO.

The term 'hi-jacked' is just wrong, the domain name was always in my control. I didn't hijack anything. I initiated a transfer out process with my registrar today who restored the DNS entries to their own. This in turn deleted all MX entries and other records. The term 'hi-jacked' has just derived from tech blogs creating stories for link bait.

The term 'extortion' is also wrong. If I was out for the money, why an earth would I have transferred the domain to the CM Team for free?"

https://plus.google.com/116028512018932696380/posts [google.com]

Re:Name and shame again and again. (1)

ThatsMyNick (2004126) | more than 2 years ago | (#41988239)

He is forgetting that, it is a .COM domain, which is controlled by a US company. I am sure cynogenmod folks can get a US court to order the domain registrar to hand over the domain to cynogenmod.
 
The post was hardly an apology. If he has any honor, he would have apologized for the saga. I bet he is hoping that the cynogenmod team would let this go, and not take any legal action after this.

Re:Name and shame again and again. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41987711)

I were this guy and had seen these last few posts, I'd go racing to return the domain ASAP. I think he's about to lose a **hell of a lot more** than this domain could ever be worth. Bad reputation for a *long* time, perhaps the current job, and the list is growing.

Re:Name and shame again and again. (2)

madsci1016 (1111233) | more than 2 years ago | (#41986085)

His Twitter: https://twitter.com/MrADeveci [twitter.com] He's claiming misunderstanding. Anyone buy it? Anyone?

Re:Name and shame again and again. (2, Insightful)

vinehair (1937606) | more than 2 years ago | (#41986189)

He's just blocking people on Twitter now (myself included.) I usually find 'you don't understand what's going on' with no attempt to educate to be an excuse used by the guilty party. The fact that he later said on said twitter feed that 'he owns the domain name' seems to solidly imply that he is guilty of this dick move, and he thought he's morally in the right to do what he did because of it.

Re:Name and shame again and again. (2, Insightful)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 2 years ago | (#41986967)

I'd love to hear both sides, but if one side just says "The other side is wrong" without telling me what happened in their view, I kinda doubt said side.

Re:Name and shame again and again. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41986167)

Ahmet, eh? I'm sure he give you velly velly good price sir just for you sir because I am liking your face sir.

Re:Name and shame again and again. (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 2 years ago | (#41986973)

Think he'll have a going-out-of-business sale soon?

Re:Name and shame again and again. (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 2 years ago | (#41986943)

Call the name and let the mob, I mean, community sort it out?

Gives "community service" a whole new meaning.

Re:Nice guy! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41985735)

Sounds like a real asshole. Enjoy the domain why you can - it'll be taken from you, or it'll be rendered worthless when the responsible adults get their own domain. Either way it's worthless.

Or it will be rendered useless when the irresponsible adults decide to DDOS it.

Re:Nice guy! (1)

hey! (33014) | more than 2 years ago | (#41986863)

Sounds like a real asshole.

Especially because the entire worth of the domain is in its association with the project. It's not like "pets.com" or "sex.com" or something where people will look for the domain's web site because of the domain's name. The domain name "cyanogenmod.com" has no legitimate value at all except as a link to the project. There is no way to get an revenue out of controlling this domain name other than blackmailing the project or deceiving users.

Scumbag (2, Insightful)

bigwheel (2238516) | more than 2 years ago | (#41985569)

A real community member would be proud to shell out the 10 bucks for the domain name nenewal and donate it back to the project.

power (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41985579)

we may never know the "why"

Usually it is some sort of 'need' to be 'in charge'. They want some sort of power over you. Just sue him for trying to extort you. That will take the wind out of his sails...

Surprised it was available (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41985583)

I would have expected the .org to have been grabbed by a squatter with an ad farm a long time ago. The douche who hijacked .com must not have thought of that angle. Are there names? He deserves to have his name associated with this dick move in searches.

Re:Surprised it was available (2)

Venotar (233363) | more than 2 years ago | (#41985625)

They did mention "filing charges". IANAL, and I doubt Steve is either. If I were in his shoes, I'd be hesitant to publish clearly identifying details until I'd consulted an attorney.

Re:Surprised it was available (3)

Andy Dodd (701) | more than 2 years ago | (#41985681)

Yup. I'm 90% positive about who it is, but I'm not going to ask or discuss it with the rest of the team to ensure noninterference with legal proceedings.

I am, however, planning on talking with some lawyer friends on advice for setting up a 501(c)(3) organization.

Re:Surprised it was available (3, Informative)

Andy Dodd (701) | more than 2 years ago | (#41985693)

Whoa... Whoops, turns out I was wrong. https://plus.google.com/u/0/103583939320326217147/posts/A8mtUUpdEH8 [google.com]

Re:Surprised it was available (1)

Venotar (233363) | more than 2 years ago | (#41985795)

Don't give up on that 501(c)3, though - avoid those single points of failure, where you can.

Re:Surprised it was available (1)

Venotar (233363) | more than 2 years ago | (#41985785)

Although, if you REALLY want to know who's the suspect, it's easy enough to find out just by reading some of the social media posts further down in this story's comments.

Defamation of trademarks can be a criminal matter (3, Interesting)

sg_oneill (159032) | more than 2 years ago | (#41985587)

Whoever this community member is, he needs to be very very careful about what he's doing. Many countries hold that malicious hijacking of trademarks or implied trademarks to be a criminal rather than merely civil matter. Ie if you go to a company or organization and maliciously register their trademark to fuck them over, you can expect a policeman at your door with a warrant.

This happens quite regularly, and it rarely turns out as happily as the malicious party expected.

Re:Defamation of trademarks can be a criminal matt (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41985679)

This guy is in England... the country where you get arrested for posting a photo of a burning paper flower on facebook.

Re:Defamation of trademarks can be a criminal matt (1)

viperidaenz (2515578) | more than 2 years ago | (#41985801)

Any idea about the laws in UK? Seems to be owned my MetServe Enterprises Limited, a UK registered company.

The address for that company looks like the office of their lawyer though. Looks like you need to pay money to get documents with the director and shareholder names. Anyone willing to give a pound to the UK Companies office?

Nerds with the delusion of having power... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41985591)

sometimes a pathetic thing. :-\

Please out the guy (3, Funny)

Freshly Exhumed (105597) | more than 2 years ago | (#41985603)

Benedict Judas Quisling is unable to take your call at this moment, but if you leave your site name he'll remove it from DNS as soon as possible.

Re:Please out the guy (1)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 2 years ago | (#41985627)

I'd be an asshole too, with a name like that...

Re:Please out the guy (0)

whoever57 (658626) | more than 2 years ago | (#41985843)

Whoooshhhhh!

Judas! (1)

zarlino (985890) | more than 2 years ago | (#41985695)

What's in a name...

Re:Please out the guy (1)

p0p0 (1841106) | more than 2 years ago | (#41985809)

Judas? Seriously? Why did they even trust him in the first place?

Well, (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41985619)

Maybe they should have changed their secret question to get access to something other than Cyanogen? I mean, unless the domain company themselves have severe breaches in security...this really can be no one elses fault other than their own.

Sorry, not being a naysayer, but when you get that big in the open source market, someones gonna try to get a piece of it..

Prepare for the worst, expect the best.

Re:Well, (1)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 2 years ago | (#41985677)

"lol didn't read"

Already Fixed? (2)

MozeeToby (1163751) | more than 2 years ago | (#41985645)

I tried going to cyanogenmod.com and got redirected to cyanogenmod.org. Maybe someone realized that what he was doing wasn't just unethical, but also most likely illegal.

Re:Already Fixed? (1)

YodasEvilTwin (2014446) | more than 2 years ago | (#41985745)

That's not "fixed".

Re:Already Fixed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41985771)

nope I got a blank page on cyanogenmod.com

Re:Already Fixed? (3, Informative)

wile_e8 (958263) | more than 2 years ago | (#41985827)

From TFA:

“Hi, so you think by removing all my access across the infrastructure was going to be a great idea? We had a chat yesterday, you’ve decided to end this bitter. How about I just change the DNS entries right now. CM will practically go down.”

Refusing to be extorted for funds, and then being threatened is “ending it bitter”? Today, it happened: all of our records were deleted, and cyanogenmod.com is slowly expiring out of the Internet and being replaced by blank pages and non-existing sites.

(emphasis mine)

Not fixed, just hasn't been broken yet for a steadily decreasing number of people.

Re:Already Fixed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41987039)

No you didn't. What possible utility is there in lying about being redirected?

Re:Already Fixed? (4, Informative)

megrims (839585) | more than 2 years ago | (#41987231)

Re:Already Fixed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41987835)

+5 for parent comment

I ran the WHOIS... (2)

gubon13 (2695335) | more than 2 years ago | (#41985707)

Registrant:
Worthless Internet Asshat
Kemp House
City Road
London, London EC1V 2NX
GB

They saw it coming (2)

sphix42 (144155) | more than 2 years ago | (#41985709)

Domain Name:CYANOGENMOD.ORG
Created On:21-Oct-2010 18:09:32 UTC

It's the responsibility of any person responsible for a project to ensure a backup domain(s) is available in the case the domain owner become estranged from the project.

A good example of proper planning.

Re:They saw it coming (1)

Rijnzael (1294596) | more than 2 years ago | (#41986133)

More likely they registered that domain for brand protection and repurposed it to keep their services up while they regain control of the .com. It's easier to register a domain than go through the UDRP with ICANN and/or the applicable registry to take it down when someone starts using it maliciously.

This would seem to be the guy (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41985711)

This is the first whois data from that domain 3 years ago:

Administrative Contact:
Deveci, Ahmet webmaster@metserve.com
Third Floor
152-156 Lower Clapton Road
Clapton, London E5 0QJ
GB
+442081232629

Re:This would seem to be the guy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41985813)

Let's all call him and tell him what we think :o

Re:This would seem to be the guy (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41985873)

His Twitter, with relevant comments:

https://twitter.com/MrADeveci

Re:This would seem to be the guy (1)

SgtAaron (181674) | more than 2 years ago | (#41986003)

His ears were burning, he has updated his whois and is now anonymous. Not that it is going to help him now.


Administrative Contact:
        Contact Privacy Inc. Customer 0121602432, cyanogenmod.com@contactprivacy.com
        96 Mowat Ave
        Toronto, ON M6K 3M1
        CA
        +1.4165385457
[SNIP]
Record last updated on 14-Nov-2012.

Re:This would seem to be the guy (1)

lamber45 (658956) | more than 2 years ago | (#41986101)

Strange thing is that both domains are anonymized now, makes it hard to tell who's who in this argument:

  • Domain ID:D160468854-LROR
    Domain Name:CYANOGENMOD.ORG
    Created On:21-Oct-2010 18:09:32 UTC
    Last Updated On:01-Nov-2012 04:14:02 UTC
    Sponsoring Registrar:eNom, Inc. (R39-LROR)
    Registrant Name:WhoisGuard Protected
    Registrant Organization:WhoisGuard
    Registrant Street1:11400 W. Olympic Blvd. Suite 200
    Registrant City:Los Angeles
    Registrant State/Province:CA
    Registrant Postal Code:90064
    Registrant Country:US
    Registrant Phone:+1.6613102107 [tel]
    Registrant FAX:+1.6613102107
    Registrant Email:f400f5cbeeb24eebbd31e75924334a65.protect@whoisguard.com [mailto]

    versus

  • Domain name: CYANOGENMOD.COM
    Administrative Contact:
    Contact Privacy Inc. Customer 0121602432, cyanogenmod.com@contactprivacy.com [mailto]
    96 Mowat Ave
    Toronto, ON M6K 3M1
    CA
    +1.4165385457 [tel]

Re:This would seem to be the guy (1)

Rijnzael (1294596) | more than 2 years ago | (#41986155)

I really dislike the service (which I won't mention) that automatically hits all the various registries to gather this historical WHOIS information, but I won't deny it has a purpose here.

Re:This would seem to be the guy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41986767)

http://www.domaintools.com/research/whois-history/ [domaintools.com] Ever heard of Steistrand? I never bothered about GP's source. Now that you specifically did not want to mention the name, I had to find it. For the benefit of the rest, I have shared it here.

Re:This would seem to be the guy (4, Funny)

blind biker (1066130) | more than 2 years ago | (#41986937)

Deveci, Ahmet webmaster@metserve.com
Third Floor
152-156 Lower Clapton Road
Clapton, London E5 0QJ
GB
+442081232629

Please do not call that phonenumber now, because it's very late in the evening in the UK, and if you call that number, you could cause serious annoyance to Ahmet.

Especially don't call it repeatedly, and above all, do not make prank calls.

So that's what happened to Michael Sims. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41985761)

I always wondered where he went after being fired from Slashdot.

Oh noes! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41985793)

You mean that site and Android distro that hasn't been updated for 2 years?! Geez lucky nobody has any reason to go there any more. Phew!

Wait. Oh my god. (5, Funny)

p0p0 (1841106) | more than 2 years ago | (#41985799)

I only just now realized that the rom is called cyanogenmod and not cryogenmod. Christ, I've been calling it cryogenmod for over a year!

Re:Wait. Oh my god. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41985897)

That's OK, I was calling those little cups of coffee "Expresso" for something like 3 years, until I realised what an idiot I was...

Re:Wait. Oh my god. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41985933)

Ahhh really? If you had not pointed it out now, I would have still been calling it expresso.

Re:Wait. Oh my god. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41986831)

Dumb fuck Americans

Re:Wait. Oh my god. (1)

EmagGeek (574360) | more than 2 years ago | (#41987191)

Irregardless, I'm sure it didn't change how the coffee tasted.

Re:Wait. Oh my god. (1)

leppi (207894) | more than 2 years ago | (#41985899)

I'm not confident in my pronunciation. I usually slur it all together like when I pronounce worcestershire.

Re:Wait. Oh my god. (3, Informative)

alostpacket (1972110) | more than 2 years ago | (#41985909)

Just wait 'till you find out what Cyanogen actually is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanogen [wikipedia.org] :)

Re:Wait. Oh my god. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41986219)

They should have gone with carbon subnitrite.

Re:Wait. Oh my god. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41985965)

Classic mistake. Now, for something else for you to possibly miss-read:

I got a pet wussy.

(thanks George Takei)

Re:Wait. Oh my god. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41987857)

Meh. I'm still waiting for magentaogenmod or yellowogenmod.

Registrant info (3, Informative)

Todd Knarr (15451) | more than 2 years ago | (#41985887)

And this is why you make sure of who's listed as the registrant. Not just the administrative contact, the registrant is the one who owns the domain. You can set the billing, technical and administrative contacts to whoever needs to run things day-to-day, but make sure the registrant contact information's set for the organization, not one single person within it. That way when someone goes rogue you don't need to involve ICANN, you can just contact the registrar as the registrant and get control back. It's still hassle, but much less hassle than a dispute proceeding.

Re:Registrant info (1)

tftp (111690) | more than 2 years ago | (#41986207)

make sure the registrant contact information's set for the organization, not one single person within it.

That also means when three buddies decide on a lark to start a project and make some free software they first need to spend a few thousand dollars on setting up a company. I know people who don't mind donating some of their free time for public good, but spending some real money on that is probably beyond all of them.

Re:Registrant info (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41986387)

Setting up an LLC is very very cheap and quite easy. It cost me about $50 total.

Re:Registrant info (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41986587)

In CA it is $850 per year (additionally the city often wants $150 per year).
 
You can try and setup a Nevada LLC. But unless you are a resident and it is the only state where business is conducted in the US, it is useless.

Re:Registrant info (1)

Rich0 (548339) | more than 2 years ago | (#41987945)

It usually is pretty cheap if you do the paperwork yourself. You just need to have a charter/bylaws/etc - which you can usually copy/paste.

Always best to ensure IP is legally owned by a company of some sort - then when somebody wants to run off with things you have legal recourse.

Already Owning != Hijacking (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41987055)

Why has he been reported as hijacking the domain when he's owned it since its inception?

Re:Already Owning != Hijacking (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41987205)

He owned it on behalf on cynogenmod. It is trademarked, he couldnt own it without the blessings of cynogenmod. He probably never paid the domain fees himself. It was probably paid for by the funds from cynogenmod. It certainly is highjacking.

This all looks to now be resolved (5, Informative)

kaptink (699820) | more than 2 years ago | (#41987089)

This all looks to now be resolved - http://www.cyanogenmod.org/blog/domain-situation-has-been-resolved [cyanogenmod.org]

From the cyanogenmod blog -

(ciwrl wrote this, I’m just posting on his behalf so this is resolved)

So earlier today we put up a post on what prompted us to transition to our new CyanogenMod.org domain. We refrained from identifying the ex-member out of respect for his privacy and career outside of CM. Suffice it to say you guys aren’t slouches, and figured it out on your own.

With that said, the ex-member in question contacted us and has agreed to hand over control of the CyanogenMod.com domain. This was done as amicably as these things can be, and CM did not pay the fee he requested.

We will still be using CyanogenMod.org as our primary domain, and the .com address will simply redirect to this new domain. Ironically enough, ‘.org’ is better than ‘.com’ as we are not a commercial entity, and is far more in line with how CyanogenMod is structured.

We received a common question, that we’d like to take a moment to answer. Some of you contacted us mentioning that you had previously donated to a different address. When the forum began, up until about 3 months ago, the forum utilized this other address as the mechanism for forum donations and establishment of the ‘Donator’ badge. Donations made to this address prior to three months ago were used for the CyanogenMod forum IPB licence and forum related costs and were not misappropriated.

On a side note, we have also gone through internal restructuring to make sure that this sort of thing doesn’t happen again. Nobody has control over everything, and there is no longer such a large single-point of failure. Our lessons have been learned.

We ask that you please not perform any vigilante actions, we do not condone any such thing; just let this fade.

We want to move on, get you the builds you expect from us, and not mess around with distractions.

Re:This all looks to now be resolved (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41987325)

Dudes still a shit bag for trying to get the money from a non profit org in the first place.

Re:This all looks to now be resolved (1)

am 2k (217885) | more than 2 years ago | (#41988291)

Yes, but now he's a shit bag without any power to cause harm, and thus can be ignored.

Beyond Comprehension? (0)

flyerbri (1519371) | more than 2 years ago | (#41987287)

OK, first off, Slashdot. Dice owned. It's no small wonder the intelligence community is in the shambles it's in.

I hope everyone hitting this web site realizes the CIA and NSA run these web sites. They rate someone calling this guy an 'asshole' as a five, yet someone else who provides depth and detail has bad karma.

Well, that's 'Intelligence' for you.

In any case. The article just now mentioned it's beyond comprehension.

I just got done talking to a 'creditor' who calls me up on the phone, and then proceeds to 'demand' my zip code or birth date to 'validate' my identification. So when I don't supply it, he tries the 'intimidation' approach 'What are you afraid of'... My zip code: 98665. My Date of Birth: 11/01/1969. Wells Fargo was the 'creditor'...

So while he's insulting me, I am waiting to get a word in edgewise, to tell him I know he's Intel, that I'm still employed by the NSA as a consultant, working special projects, and I'm not responding to his query to FORCE him to change his system? That we all have NOTHING to fear with sharing of information, who we are, what we are, and what motivates our interests. So when he wouldnt stop yammering on and I couldnt even explain myself, I finally just said "Shut the f up", an easy way to deal with people who think intimidation is the best approach with you.

So when someone gets rated '5' in response and calling this guy an asshole for what he does.

Here's a spin I am sure you guys aren't getting.....

When you isolate yourself, in secrecy, you create a house of cards and start assuming the worst of people's behavior and intentions.

When you discuss. When you share. You create an idea revolution.

So let me help you out on explaining why this man was holding the 'community driven COMMERCIAL domain hostage....

A COMMERCIAL DOMAIN would eventually charge money for the service. Eventually leading to his efforts and the 'communities efforts' having gone down a black hole, wasted in the ether, as the 'not so clever' owners of the domain and servers took the efforts others had made, claimed it as their own, and made it proprietary, and charged money for it. The writing is on the wall for it...

The point being. I dont care if you're a creditor calling me up or intelligence services thinking I've gone rogue. In a mature society, you learn to trust that terrorism and the enemies you create by not sharing are manifested by your paranoia. Go watch, and take into account that M is killed by the very same man she labelled as a terrorist when he did EXACTLY as was ordered. You create your enemies when you fail to live within your own code of ethics, or use others for your own gain without explaining to them what you are doing.

Be honest. And maybe you might create a community that's more than just surviving. You might create something incredible, maybe even the world's most profitable privately owned company ever invented. All just by being... honest and open about your intentions as best as you can explain them...

As for poster #1, calling this guy an a$$hole. Get a life, and grow up...

Live with character. Love with passion. Laugh with your heart. And most of all. Share the ride for all who want to join.

That's the only way you can overcome your own demons you call.. terrorists...

Re:Beyond Comprehension? (1)

flyerbri (1519371) | more than 2 years ago | (#41987309)

Go watch SKYFALL that is.. Dont know why that movie title got deleted....

It's over, domain was given to the CM team (1)

seandiggity (992657) | more than 2 years ago | (#41987505)

Ahmet Deveci 8:22 PM [google.com]

For the record, regarding: cyanogenmod.com

Following the saga from : http://www.cyanogenmod.org/blog/psa-transition-to-cyanogenmod-org [cyanogenmod.org] it would appear that I have been labelled a 'thief' an 'extortionist' a 'liar' and a bunch of other somewhat degrading comments.

The domain name has since been transferred to the CM Team, but I wanted to make a few things clear.

I purchased the CyanogenMod.com domain name 3 years ago and have been responsible for the renewal fees ever since. This means I (my company) legally owned the domain name. It was fully registered in the United Kingdom. I hear people saying about ‘trademark’. Yes, CyanogenMod is now a registered trademark in the US. But the domain was registered in the UK well before that trademark. I don’t want to get into any legal battles here, but US trademark’s are not valid in the UK unless they are registered here with the IPO.

The term 'hi-jacked' is just wrong, the domain name was always in my control. I didn't hijack anything. I initiated a transfer out process with my registrar today who restored the DNS entries to their own. This in turn deleted all MX entries and other records. The term 'hi-jacked' has just derived from tech blogs creating stories for link bait.

The term 'extortion' is also wrong. If I was out for the money, why an earth would I have transferred the domain to the CM Team for free?

I really don't want to make a meal out of this, nor do I want to get into the rigmarole of having to keep fighting off the haters on here or Twitter or my personal email. I would just simply ask that some people act a little more mature about this whole situation and let's all move along.

The domain name has now been rightfully transferred to the great guys behind CyanogenMod and I will continue to use the mod on my devices. I will just be stepping down from my previous role as 'webmaster'.

If I have offended anyone during all of this commotion then I apologise. In the meantime, let’s all move along and play nicely. This incident was blown way out of proportion. There are far more important things in life than to worry about internet disputes.

Thanks again,

Ahmet

Re:It's over, domain was given to the CM team (2)

seandiggity (992657) | more than 2 years ago | (#41987557)

Yup, the CM team acknowledged the transfer to them too: http://www.cyanogenmod.org/blog/domain-situation-has-been-resolved [cyanogenmod.org]

...not sure what the guy hoped to accomplish, but I assume he's regretting it now. Nothing gained but enmity.

Re:It's over, domain was given to the CM team (1)

madsci1016 (1111233) | more than 2 years ago | (#41987797)

I'm sorry, his 'apology' is anything but and it offers no explanation to his actions or his emails including this one: “Hi, so you think by removing all my access across the infrastructure was going to be a great idea? We had a chat yesterday, you’ve decided to end this bitter. How about I just change the DNS entries right now. CM will practically go down.” What context could that have been taken out of that doesn't implicate this guy as a horrible, immature person? Either CM is making that quote up or he got the negative attention he deserves and is trying to save face.

Re:It's over, domain was given to the CM team (1)

seandiggity (992657) | more than 2 years ago | (#41987989)

Either CM is making that quote up or he got the negative attention he deserves and is trying to save face.

I'd guess it's the latter.

But he formally owned it all the time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41987657)

If what he says in his twitter is true, he owned it from the time of domain registration, and he paid the registration fee too. So for all practical and legal purposes this is his personal domain.

Why didn't cyanogen organization formally took over the domain? They should have been listed as the domain owner with somebody as an administrative contact.

Sounds like some man, who got married thinking marriage is all about love and commitment, finds out in divorce court that marriage is really all about money, and half of what he owned isn't his any more and it will keep costing more for the years to come.

So (1)

DFurno2003 (739807) | more than 2 years ago | (#41987997)

Since the domain was registered in the UK, and CyanogenMod is from the U.S., Doesnt that mean this guy can keep the domain unless Cyanogenmod is registered with the IPO?

Human nature (1)

SeaFox (739806) | more than 2 years ago | (#41988333)

...But to have one of our own betray the community like this is beyond our comprehension."

I find this quote rather amusing.
Didn't this project start in part because of the carriers denying smartphone owners updated versions of the Android OS to help drive sales of new handsets instead?

And now one of their people is trying to extort $10,000 out of them.

Is greed beyond the comprehension of CM?

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