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Microsoft/Nokia Deal Closes

Soulskill posted about 6 months ago | from the dotted-the-s-and-crossed-the-u dept.

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Last September Microsoft announced it would be purchasing Nokia's Devices and Services business. The terms have been worked out, the shareholders gave approval, and the regulatory issues were hurdled. As of today, it's official: Nokia's phone business is now Microsoft Mobile. The final price is around $7.5 billion, and 30,000 employees are transferring to Microsoft. "The purchase of the unprofitable division makes Microsoft the world’s second-largest maker of mobile phones with about 14 percent of the market, according to researcher IDC." Here's Nokia's official statement, and a rather more personal one from an employee. According to The Verge, "Nokia's Android handsets are the most intriguing part of the deal, as they shed some light on how Microsoft might approach the messy and complex nature of shipping devices that don't run the company's Windows software. The Nokia X introduces a new "forked" version of Android that’s akin to what Amazon does with its Kindle Fire line, but it also includes a Windows Phone-like UI and an Android store that's separate to Google Play. Microsoft has the chance to control another app store, but also a solid opportunity to push its own cloud-based services." One interesting note: Nokia's phone manufacturing plant in India is not part of the deal because of an ongoing tax dispute. Nokia will continue to operate it as a contract manufacturing unit for Microsoft.

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Let me be the first (5, Funny)

symbolset (646467) | about 6 months ago | (#46843151)

Let me be the first to welcome Microsoft to the ranks of Linux PC OEMs. Amazing times we live in, eh?

Re:Let me be the first (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46843639)

Nokia switched to WinPhone some time ago.

Re:Let me be the first (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46843893)

Not really. Microsoft was for many years the largest Unix vendor in the world. This was back in the 1980's, so Linux was barely a gleam in Linus' eyes, but this is hardly new ground for Microsoft.

Re:Let me be the first (1)

symbolset (646467) | about 6 months ago | (#46846443)

Linux is not Unix. Unix was very expensive too, back in the day. You might as well have writ that they wrote OS/2 also, and for the same reason: to kill it.

Re:Let me be the first (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46855857)

android hardly counts as Linux. besdides I'm willing to bet large amounts of money it will never happen. it was a prototype in a back room not the next phone.

IT'S A TRAP! (2)

serviscope_minor (664417) | about 6 months ago | (#46843175)

Our shareholders cannot repel executives of this magnitude!

Seriously, is there anyone in the tech industry who didn't think it was a massive trap when Elop joined?

He basically prepped nokia to be ripe for takeover by microsoft. I mean after committing so heavily to such a minority platform, who else would have wanted them? Massive inside job and apparently completely legal!

Re:IT'S A TRAP! (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about 6 months ago | (#46843249)

Maybe, but Nokia would still have ended up in a far worse situation without the Microsoft deal.

Re:IT'S A TRAP! (4, Interesting)

serviscope_minor (664417) | about 6 months ago | (#46843315)

Maybe, but Nokia would still have ended up in a far worse situation without the Microsoft deal.

May have. They still had an assload of patents on almost all areas of mobile phone hardware and showed no sign of slowing down in that department. They also were still moving a metric assloads (approximately 1.1 imperial short fucktons) of dumbphones.

Companies have turned around from worse successfully.

Re:IT'S A TRAP! (1)

postbigbang (761081) | about 6 months ago | (#46843509)

Even former pros at this, like RIM/Blackberry, HP/Palm, and others are in the ditch. Sony-Ericsson, both of them bleeding heavily. Dumb phones are going the way of the landline, and in the land of less developed areas, growth will be huge-- and those will huge portfolios of patents are already parachuting in.

Microsoft wanted to be like Apple, and control its supply chain, which is barely do-able because they don't have the militarism of Apple when it comes to discipline. They might get a few points but it'll be a battle against Huawei, HTC, LG, Samsung, and the supply chains of Softbank, etc, that Microsoft will have to pull together.

It's not like how Google bought then divested of Motorola. Microsoft's been making billions from Android in pre-court settlements over patent issues. It was a bastard way of soaking Google's OEMs, and it worked.

Re:IT'S A TRAP! (1)

king neckbeard (1801738) | about 6 months ago | (#46843343)

I'm not sure about that. They had a decent upgrade path to convert Symbian customers to Maemo/Meego/Sailfish, and it seems like that road was getting better reception than the WP path despite MS having largely killed it by the time they had anything released. It probably would have been difficult to have tanked Nokia harder without the kind of malice that would bring on investigations from various governments.

Re:IT'S A TRAP! (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about 6 months ago | (#46843661)

They didn't put almost any meaningful resources on the Linux phones, and weren't planning to. Actually they killed all those projects. Also Sailfish is a Jolla OS and didn't exist back then at all.

Nokia's cart was thrusting full speed down the mine shaft when Microsoft made the offer.

Re:IT'S A TRAP! (4, Insightful)

king neckbeard (1801738) | about 6 months ago | (#46843967)

That's an outright lie. They bought TrollTech, were shifting Symbian to QT, and thus would have built an app ecosystem that was at least partially shared between Symbian and Maemo. They later collaborated with Intel's Moblin project and Maemo became Meego. They released the N900, and that seemed to be what their future plan was before MS got involved.

Also Sailfish is a Jolla OS and didn't exist back then at all.

I know, but it is the successor to Meego and was a company of ex-Nokia devs, so practically speaking, Maemo, Meego, and Sailfish are the same OS.

Re:IT'S A TRAP! (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about 6 months ago | (#46844373)

They released the N900, and that seemed to be what their future plan was before MS got involved.

The Internet Tablets were only a small sidetrack and did not represent their future plan in general.

Nokia was mostly dealing with the crusty Symbian and the competition from Android and iPhone had destroyed them almost completely. That's when Microsoft entered the scene.

Re:IT'S A TRAP! (2)

CptPicard (680154) | about 6 months ago | (#46845251)

Still untrue -- the MeeGo plan was the supposed future and the pre-Elop Nokia was full-on backing it. The Nokia N9 was the best mobile device I had owned, and then Elop came in and didn't give it a release in any major markets.

Re:IT'S A TRAP! (2)

dos1 (2950945) | about 6 months ago | (#46845741)

Unfortunately, Maemo/Meego plan was internally fought over by the Symbian team, creating unnecessary, unhealthy competition inside Nokia and delaying success of any of them. When Nokia finally realized that it was Maemo that had greatest potential for future, not Symbian, they were already quite a lot behind competitors. Elop could either make risky, but potentially beneficial for the company decision in favor of Maemo/Meego, or take an easy road as a trojan horse, mostly beneficial for himself and for stakeholders in short term.

It's a pretty sad story about major mistakes in management of a very big player, which at its last chance to return into significance after couple of bad moves was just kicked in its balls by someone who was supposed to take care of it and gradually sold cheaply.

Re:IT'S A TRAP! (1)

dbIII (701233) | about 6 months ago | (#46846357)

Unfortunately, Maemo/Meego plan was internally fought over by the Symbian team, creating unnecessary, unhealthy competition inside Nokia and delaying success of any of them

Management is in place to deal with such things and earlier management said to retire Symbian and migrate to the newer system. Then Elop came in and pinned all hopes on a frankly utter crap Microsoft OS which MS abandoned not long after. Then they scrambled to do a second port to the newer and very different MS OS.

Re:IT'S A TRAP! (1)

dos1 (2950945) | about 6 months ago | (#46849773)

>earlier management said to retire Symbian and migrate to the newer system

They did, but not before years of internal competition making both teams reinvent the wheel and limiting collaboration between them. Maemo 6/Meego as seen on Nokia N9 was entirely reimplemented three times. When it all started, Symbian team was also doing transition to Qt - just like Maemo; but internal conflicts, on both management and "engineers morale" levels led them to implement completely separate, incompatible libraries, wasting time of both teams.

Management eventually made a right decision, but it was already too late to stop Elop from destroying it all completely.

Re:IT'S A TRAP! (1)

dbIII (701233) | about 6 months ago | (#46850709)

Since in hindsight destruction to drive down the sale price was the aim (and removing competing technologies to Winphone another aim) any time would have been too late to stop Elop from destroying it all completely.

Re:IT'S A TRAP! (1)

dos1 (2950945) | about 6 months ago | (#46854513)

I think that if Nokia was in better state few years ago, Elop wouldn't be chosen as a CEO at all, so he wouldn't have a possibility to destroy it. But maybe that's just me being naive :)

Re:IT'S A TRAP! (1)

king neckbeard (1801738) | about 6 months ago | (#46846739)

By all indications I had seen, that was clearly the plan. That's why both of them were using QT, which they had acquired probably for that exact purpose. They were going to leverage Symbian's market share, which was still significant, to foster a strong app ecosystem for Maemo. I recall it quite well, as I was quite enthused about it, but Nokia fanboys were practically creaming themselves over how wonderful their Maemo future would be.

Re:IT'S A TRAP! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46843417)

Well, but they could've changed the board and ceo to competent people and they would've made meego a super os for phones and continued with N9 and other good phones

Re:IT'S A TRAP! (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46843435)

Which Microsoft deal would that be?

  • The one where they took their media fuctions from Microsoft and then Microsoft failed to deliver music?|
  • The one where they took their office software from Mictosoft and then Steven Elop failed to deliver software?
  • The one where they took their OS from Microsoft and then MS failed to deliver working apps?
  • The one where they sold of their crippled mobile phone division to MS?

Re:IT'S A TRAP! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46843453)

As other replied, maybe not. However I do remember the Slashdot arguments about Nokia before MS started the buyout plan. The most common +5 insightful wasn't about how Nokia should stand against the tide and develop their own phoneOS. It wasn't about how some sequel to their old phoneOS would rise up and take the market by storm. The most common +5 insightful in those threads was "They should make an Android phone, that would solve all their problems."

So, forgive me or not, but I don't consider Slashdot to be the place to go to get business advice. At least not the +5s.

Beta Sucks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46843715)

"So, forgive me or not, but I don't consider Slashdot to be the place to go to get business advice. At least not the +5s."

I don't get it. They tried putting Windows on phones and it was a disaster. Other manufacturers have done OK or better by putting Android on phones.

So how was abandoning everything they had, putting Windows on their phones, and flopping so bad that Microsoft bought them at a cut-rate price the correct thing to do?

Re:Beta Sucks (1)

Kalriath (849904) | about 6 months ago | (#46844847)

Except that Windows Phone actually isn't bad. The only reason people aren't going for it is that retailers don't push it, and everyone's got this "OMG Microsoft! They killed my dog!" mentality.

Beta Sucks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46844893)

So, yeah, the only problem is that no-one wants to buy their products.

And this is supposed to be a better business plan than building products people do want to buy?

Re:Beta Sucks (1)

Kalriath (849904) | about 6 months ago | (#46844955)

The point is that people don't want to buy them for the wrong reasons. I mean, I once gave my iPhone, Android and Windows Phone to my mother and asked which was easier to use. To be honest even I was surprised that apparently the Windows Phone was the most intuitive of the three.

They're also roughly the same price as Android devices, and with hardware on par with the Android equivalents. In this case, I actually feel it's more down to shitty marketing than anything else (perhaps they should hire Apple to do it, since they're a marketi... er, computer company).

Re:Beta Sucks (1)

blackpaw (240313) | about 6 months ago | (#46846503)

Agreed, shitty Marketing. I moved from my Sona Xperia Sola to a Lumia 525 - roughly the same price (contract free), heaps better phone - snappier, nicer to use.

This may be changing, seeing a lot more public awareness & pushing of the Lumia's in Australia.

Side Note:Development for Android and Windows Phone is pretty straightforward. I did some Symbian S60 dev in the past and that was just vile.

He's right. Windows Phone is pretty decent (1)

darylb (10898) | about 6 months ago | (#46845169)

Kalriath notes the built-in bias against Microsoft's Windows Phone. I had it, too, until my brand new Galaxy S4 went missing. So I bought a no-contract Lumia 520 runnings WP8 for $75. (The sub-$100 Android phones all suck.) After about 20 minutes, I was completely impressed. It was easy to setup and configure. The apps and navigation mostly made sense. It was no speed demon, but it WAS usable, on $75 hardware even. (The Lumia 520 runs a dual-core 1GHz CPU, with 512MB of RAM, 8GB of built-in storage and support for microSD cards. The battery is even user-replaceable.) I ended up returning the Galaxy S4.

Face it, the Android phones worth using have an inordinate amount of CPU horsepower. Windows Phone seems optimized to run better with less, and it showed. The built-in hubs for social networking (freeing me from the disastrous Facebook mobile apps) were a stroke of genius.

WP8.1 holds even more promise. It goes backward in a couple of ways (like doing away with hubs, and the new Xbox Music is, at present, a disaster). Nonetheless, it's making technological progress.

It's all precarious for Microsoft. They've got a lot of ground to regain (or gain in the first place), and Google and Apple aren't sitting still. However, you can get devices that run Windows Phone very well for very little cash. It's nice to use a sub-$400 device that actually works.

Re: Beta Sucks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46846721)

Smart people have learnt their lesson with desktop Windows. Never again.

Why would anyone buy a second-tier phone for the same, or higher price??

Re: Beta Sucks (1)

Kalriath (849904) | about 6 months ago | (#46850245)

You're proving my point. Well done.

Windows Phone is not second tier. Anyone I know that owns one (and I know quite a few) actually prefer it.

Re:IT'S A TRAP! (1)

king neckbeard (1801738) | about 6 months ago | (#46844027)

Seems like either of those plans would have worked out better for anyone who didn't have a golden parachute, so perhaps it isn't too bad a resource.

Re:IT'S A TRAP! (1)

dbIII (701233) | about 6 months ago | (#46846331)

No. Elop did some active wrecking. A trust fund baby that never turned up for work would have done better.

Re:IT'S A TRAP! (1)

eulernet (1132389) | about 6 months ago | (#46843949)

Do you believe that Nokia was naive when Elop was hired ?

I think that Nokia's investors realized that they were losing the mobile war.
The company peaked a few years ago, so they wanted to recover the money they invested in it before the company didn't worth anything.

Microsoft wanted to take a significant share in the mobile market, because they were unable to achieve it with their products.
Buying Nokia was the easiest way to get more than 10% of this market.

I'm sorry for all the people who believed in Nokia's marketing motto of "connecting people".
Reality finally won and money took the best out of Nokia.

I'm happy for Microsoft about the bargain, but let's see what they'll do now with the company they decimated.

Re:IT'S A TRAP! (2)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | about 6 months ago | (#46844101)

It's worse than you think [forbes.com]

I think though, this is the result of the bungling OPK and even a bit before him Jorma Ollila, where the company wasn't focused on putting out great products but rather became concerned with infighting and territorial control. The whole place was dysfunctional from the inside out.

Re:IT'S A TRAP! (1)

Threni (635302) | about 6 months ago | (#46844795)

> Do you believe that Nokia was naive when Elop was hired ?

Yes. They knew they were losing - that's not insight; that's just looking at the figures. They needed to do something. They probably thought he was going to use his experience to help, not to make decisions which would lead to them losing enough money so that his (previous) employers could perform a takeover. I'm a little surprised there's been no lawsuit yet; perhaps now is the time for that?

Re:IT'S A TRAP! (1)

dbIII (701233) | about 6 months ago | (#46846367)

Do you believe that Nokia was naive when Elop was hired

I believe some of Nokia's board members got kickbacks starting from just before they hired Elop since among many other things that explains why they didn't throw Elop out for performance far worse than what they threw out the previous CEO for.
Nokia was an enormous company, yet it was the first CEO gig for Elop. That smells pretty funny on it's own.

Re: IT'S A TRAP! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46846727)

No. It was CIA and political pressure from USA which wanted to get rid of a player that wasn't going to play along the surveillance dystopia by implementing spyware on their smart phones. What did Finland get in return? Cruise missiles? Nothing?

Maybe someone will write a book about this in 30 years.

There's a good book on the subject (4, Interesting)

CRCulver (715279) | about 6 months ago | (#46843177)

Anyone interested in how a former giant could collapse so bad would probably enjoy David Cord's The Decline and Fall of Nokia [amazon.com] . I flipped through it at our large bookstore in Helsinki and found it gripping enough to purchase there and then. Besides press coverage, Cord bases his account on interviews with former Nokia staffers -- there are a lot of bitter Nokia veterans in the Helsinki veteran who want to get the inside story out. Also, as much as I love my N900, it is sad to see that the writing was on the wall even before that particular device came out.

Re:There's a good book on the subject (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46843205)

Sounds like a gripping read.... /sacasm

Re:There's a good book on the subject (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46843293)

You can Finnish it in one sitting.

Re:There's a good book on the subject (1)

Culture20 (968837) | about 6 months ago | (#46845289)

You can Finnish it in one sitting.

That joke was terrible. Don't like my criticism? Suomi.

Re:There's a good book on the subject (3, Insightful)

Minwee (522556) | about 6 months ago | (#46843377)

Strange as it may seem, there are still people in the world who enjoy reading more than 140 letters at a time.

Re:There's a good book on the subject (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46843421)

Many veterans in the Helsinki veteran? How many of them did he eat?

Re:There's a good book on the subject (1)

CRCulver (715279) | about 6 months ago | (#46843437)

Typo for "many Nokia veterans in the Helsinki area".

Nokia two and half times the size of Apple (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 6 months ago | (#46843523)

... as much as I love my N900, it is sad to see that the writing was on the wall even before that particular device came out.

At the time of the N900 launch Apple had only 20% of the smartphone market and Android only 5%...Why couldn't Nokia with 45% of the market succeed(or even Microsoft with 8%)...perhaps ot wasn't Nokia that couldn't succeed it was something that sounds like plop.

Re:Nokia two and half times the size of Apple (2)

CRCulver (715279) | about 6 months ago | (#46843547)

Apple and Google didn't have the infighting that Nokia did. They could concentrate fully on pushing iOS and Android respectively, but Nokia had people territorial about Symbian and management inefficiently directing resources between different teams.

And Now (-1, Troll)

The Cat (19816) | about 6 months ago | (#46843229)

Let the layoffs begin.

I'm sure the middle managers are already sorting their lists by who most recently closed on a house or who has a pregnant wife.

They'll save a few for the week before Christmas too, of course.

Re:And Now (1)

Urkki (668283) | about 6 months ago | (#46846741)

That should be ok. Quality people will find new work, in places where they can actually get things done. The underlying engineering force which brought about the Symbian world dominance is still there. And looking at how wages go up in places like China and India, without overall quality/cost ratio not really keeping up (and I don't mean ability of individual engineers, I mean the whole overhead of outsourcing), while wages aren't really going up in places like Finland, this is going to be a very competitive work force, hungry to take on new challenges.

Let the layoffs begin, indeed!

Wouldn't it be ironic, if by some stroke of fate, Jolla would manage to become "next Nokia", built up partly by the same people who were there buidling up Nokia in '90s and early '00s

Re:And Now (1)

The Cat (19816) | about 6 months ago | (#46849333)

That should be ok. Quality people will find new work

After they uproot their families, leave their friends behind and start over, MAYBE they'll find new work... ...at Home Depot.

this is going to be a very competitive work force, hungry to take on new challenges

Ironic use of the word "hungry." Not going to matter to you obviously until you feel the pain of losing a home and watch your kids say goodbye to all their friends and have to travel 1100 miles for a pay cut. The fuck do you care, right? You're a fucking hero of the free market, aren't you?

One thing these threads always do is bring out the cunts.

Re:And Now (1)

Urkki (668283) | about 6 months ago | (#46850173)

Well, I'm close to a "city" which has seen maybe a thousand, maybe 2-3 thousand (hard to say with all the subcontracting companies needing to lay off people too) Nokia jobs disappear over a few years. And as far as I have seen, transformation from stagnation to new opportunities has gone as well as one can hope. Then again I live in a "socialist" (from American point of view) economy where people have some time to find new work before being financially ruined, and while some end up relocating, there's perhaps no such urgency, as in countries like US where people are more on their own (this perhaps also answers your "free market" jab).

Sweet (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46843243)

Now Microsoft will have a phone you don't want to go along with the tablet you don't want.

Re:Sweet (0)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | about 6 months ago | (#46843853)

Now Microsoft will have a phone you don't want to go along with the tablet you don't want.

Microsoft excels at selling you stuff you don't want.

For Windows Plan 9, I think that they are going to tweak the EULA. Microsoft will charge you $99.95 for the Windows license for every PC. But that price will include a "free" Nokia Windows Phone! And then you can choose your own contract with any cell phone carrier you like. That way, they'll finally be able to force users onto their phone platform. If you already have to buy a Windows Phone when you buy your PC with Windows, why would you buy another phone? (Well, it might work for enough folks, anyway, not for Slashdotters . . . "You can fool enough of the people, enough of the time to make a decent profit").

So you've got your PC, your Windows Plan 9 license, a Nokia Windows phone . . . but wait . . . there's still more . . . for an extra $99.95, you'll get a Microsoft Surface Tablet thrown in . . . !

People who just don't want Windows 8 are still forced to buy PCs with it. That's still Microsoft's big lever. They'll think of something for Windows Plan 9 to try to drag you, kicking and screaming, onto their phone and tablet platforms. Maybe by some method that not quite illegal . . . but should be.

Re:Sweet (1)

MouseTheLuckyDog (2752443) | about 6 months ago | (#46846483)

They tried that once. It almost got them broken up.

For the REAL radical dudes! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46843929)

Now Microsoft will have a phone you don't want to go along with the tablet you don't want.

I am SOLD!!

I am gonna get my MS Phone and Tablet, walk up the iPhone using -iPad carrying people and say, "Hah! I'm one bad ass motherfucker! I'm bucking the trend and I don't even have tattoos!"

And I'll walk proudly into a LUG group with my Microsoft phone and tablet and when looked at disparagingly, I tell stare back and yell,"You wanna a piece of me! Huh! Yeah! Didn't think so!"

Hell yeah, I'll be one original guy! Not some sheep iThing user, not some pseudo cool Android user BUT A FUCKING MICROSOFT USER! I'll be TOUGH! Different! A lone wolf!

Re:Sweet (4, Insightful)

nine-times (778537) | about 6 months ago | (#46843941)

I'm sure they'll also work quite well alongside the copy of Windows 8 you got stuck with, including the installation of IE you'll never use and the copy of Microsoft Office you wish you didn't need.

Re:Sweet (1)

Kjella (173770) | about 6 months ago | (#46846005)

I don't think Microsoft can rely on the customer being "stuck" with Win8 and MS Office much longer, according to StatCounter [statcounter.com] mobile is now 24%, tablets 6% and the desktop only 70% of web browsing. Subtract a few percent for Mac/Linux and more than one in three is no longer using Windows to browse the web. Of course web browsing != general computing but people are going to want solutions for the devices they're using, if there's an app for it they'd probably rather use that than haul out their laptop. I guess most of those 30% have a PC they could use if they wanted to, but I'm not sure casual users will in the future. I think the "PC-less" digital life is quickly becoming possible and that significant parts of the population will find they don't really need a PC. Microsoft has the enterprise by the balls, consumers much less so.

Re:Sweet (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46844283)

The Surface Pro / Surface 2 Pro tablets are awesome devices. Rock solid, great features, full Windows Professional OS, all of the capability of a laptop and it fits inside my day-planner! On the other hand, I have no idea what the RT models are like, the OS is complete shit and they should never have wasted time or money on developing them let-alone bringing them to market...

-AC

Re:Sweet (1)

bondsbw (888959) | about 6 months ago | (#46846445)

to go along with the tablet you don't want

As opposed to the tablet I really want, but when I buy it, realize that all it amounts to is a $500 Facebook app?

I still think they should have bought RIM in 2008 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46843381)

Buying Nokia now maybe wasn't a terrible idea. Time will tell.

Re:I still think they should have bought RIM in 20 (1)

aliquis (678370) | about 6 months ago | (#46846921)

How to fix Vista! (?)

1) Buy RIM, get QNX.
2) Add start-menu to QNX.
3) ?
4) Profit!

Microsoft's racist policies... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46843459)

are already in progress. As they said, they were going to fire most of the management that is Finnish and replace them with Indians just as they've done to other acquisitions that did not employ either Americans or Indians. As usual, Microsoft proves themselves to be the most racist company in the world.

Re:Microsoft's racist policies... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46843701)

Citation needed.

Re:Microsoft's racist policies... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46844063)

I got lucky when they gutted my teams because they kept the white architects. For everyone below my level, they replaced all of the white males over forty with unmarried Indians under 28. It's been a disaster since they don't understand the product.

Has anything changed ?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46843539)

I wonder how much has really changed now that Microsoft officially owns Nokia? Seriously, its not like Windows phones will now dramatically fly off shelves and Windows mobile will become the most loved OS on phones. We all know that will not happen and its too late to do much about it. Microsoft and Nokia both admit
they are focusing their marketing for Windows phones on developing markets where cheaper smart phones are in demand. This is code for we hope to market to bottom feeders with marginal growth and weak margins. We cannot compete with Android or Apple so we will accept what small single digit market share we have as a success. Its pathetic when 90% or better computers in the World run Windows and Microsoft and Nokia can't do a Windows phone that can compete.
In the end Microsoft will slowly absorb Nokia into its grasp and eventually phase out Nokia as a brand. Most likely developing more Windows or Microsoft branded phones under Microsoft and trying to squeeze out a couple more percent of market share. RIP Nokia.

low who-cares factor here (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46843679)

I expect the SpaceX article just posted will get more posts than this one. Microsoft is pretty much in the yawn phase of existence and will be following Nokia's example of an exit strategy. Eventually.

Death of symbian? (1)

mvar (1386987) | about 6 months ago | (#46843855)

It'll be sad to see the demise of nokia's symbian-based phones. For those of us who're still not using a smartphone, the symbian no-frills mobiles have the best UI and quality than anything else on the market..

Re:Death of symbian? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46843955)

Symbian died years ago. Long before this deal sadly.

Re:Death of symbian? (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about 6 months ago | (#46844399)

For those of us who're still not using a smartphone, the symbian no-frills mobiles have the best UI and quality than anything else on the market..

That's not quite how I remember it. Symbian was extremely laggy, had a clunky UI, crashed a lot, and everyone hated developing apps for it.

Re:Death of symbian? (2)

Kalriath (849904) | about 6 months ago | (#46844879)

Can confirm, I have/had an S60 mobile. Terribly slow UI, constantly crashing, but at least the apps had a consistent(ly bad) design.

The phone also randomly rebooted in the middle of phone calls. That was cool too.

Re:Death of symbian? (1)

blackpaw (240313) | about 6 months ago | (#46846517)

I did S60 apps - worst dev system I have every seen - incredibly arcane and convulated dev chain, the C++ library had over *1200* classes. For a fucking mobile phone. And the class hierarchy was just perverse.

Re:Death of symbian? (1)

mvar (1386987) | about 6 months ago | (#46847573)

I can't talk about developing applications, my opinion is from a user's perspective. Never had any issues with UI or lag on my 5130v2 which, after 5 years, died by being crushed under my car's wheels. And the 105 that i got for $20 does its job as expected

C0m (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46844179)

so that their Tops responsibility base for FrreBSD distributions Dim. If *BSD is people's faces at Move forward, else to be an Moronic, dilettante Trying to dissect

Re:C0m (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46844577)

so that their Tops responsibility base for FrreBSD distributions Dim. If *BSD is people's faces at Move forward, else to be an Moronic, dilettante Trying to dissect

Kids, be careful! This is what Windows 8 does to your brain.

and welcome to the 22,000 newly un-employed... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46844839)

... once MS lays off the bulk of the Nokia employees they "inherit".

So Nokia +30,000 = 1/2 Whatsup !! (1)

giorgist (1208992) | about 6 months ago | (#46845191)

So Nokia +30,000 employees = 1/2 Whatsup !!

At least the Finns still have timber (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46845341)

The timber industry won't go anywhere soon. Everyone loves Finnish wood. As an American of Finnish descent, let me assure you: Finnish wood is the best wood.

Herin lies the company that: (1)

ColaBlizzard (2870167) | about 6 months ago | (#46846989)

brought Snake to millions of people.
built phones that could take on a tank. That didn't need to be upgraded every two years.
became the largest phone manufacturer in the world.
became the largest camera manufacturer in the world.
only to fall prey to a trojan horse called Stephen Elop.

current and ex-Nokians on Slashdot counter :) (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46849649)

Ex-Nokia, Copenhagen, there for 10 years, Loved it & miss it!!

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