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A Different Kind of Linux Smartphone: Samsung To Sell Tizen-Based Model Z

timothy posted about 3 months ago | from the complicated-model dept.

Cellphones 105

As The Next Web reports, Samsung is finally bringing to market (in Russia, to start) a phone, the Samzung Z, running the Tizen OS. Like Android, Tizen is based on the Linux kernel, but it's intended for HTML5 apps rather than Android apps. It's not Samsung's first Tizen device, though; the second-generation of its Gear smart-watches are running Tizen as well. "Samsung earlier revealed plans for its first Tizen smartphones to be launched during its second quarter of business in 2014, which runs April to July, so it seems like smartphones other than Samsung Z could still be on their way. The Samsung executive said that Tizen devices could account for as much as 15 percent of Samsung’s mobile shipments per year, but Android will still be its main business."

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Only thing I want to know: (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47145399)

how hackable?

Re:Only thing I want to know: (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47145411)

But does it run Linux?

Re: Only thing I want to know: (5, Funny)

binarylarry (1338699) | about 3 months ago | (#47145465)

It's got an HTML5 userland, so you know the apps will be TOP NOTCH.

Re: Only thing I want to know: (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47145541)

You can also use Qt for developing. Since Qt has an improving support for Android too, eventually developing cross-platform apps may become easier.

Re: Only thing I want to know: (1)

gbjbaanb (229885) | about 3 months ago | (#47145553)

as opposed to that well-known and respected technology, UIs written in Java.

Re: Only thing I want to know: (4, Informative)

NotInHere (3654617) | about 3 months ago | (#47145727)

1st Android introduced a declarative (XML) way to write UIs (I admit I don't know whether this XML gets parsed by java or native code) and

2nd There is no JVM in Android, its Dalvik VM. Google only took the language, but not the whole technology.

Re: Only thing I want to know: (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47146533)

Google didn't take anything, Dalvik was written by single person and it was taken in use by Android Inc, what Google bought much later.

Re: Only thing I want to know: (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47146029)

Java is one of the main obstacles in the development of efficient applications. Between the blatant lie of the code portability, the huge system requirements, and the lousy pre-baked code pieces every single developer is using it's only a matter of time before it causes the collapse of our civilization.

Mark my words, some time in the near future all the Java-based appliances/phones/computers/blu-ray players, etc will get together and become Skynet. And in a shorter time lapse we will have hordes of T-1000s hunting us down the streets.

Re: Only thing I want to know: (1)

LordLimecat (1103839) | about 3 months ago | (#47146567)

.... Only to crash when some script kiddie uses a drive by java exploit to serve all of the killbots with adware.

Re: Only thing I want to know: (2)

OakDragon (885217) | about 3 months ago | (#47147409)

Mark my words, some time in the near future all the Java-based appliances/phones/computers/blu-ray players, etc will get together and become Skynet. And in a shorter time lapse we will have hordes of T-1000s hunting us down the streets.

But mankind will catch a lucky break when humans refuse to install the Java updates.

Re: Only thing I want to know: (2)

binarylarry (1338699) | about 3 months ago | (#47148701)

So that's why Java apps are so slow. They're secretly plotting world domination while you wait for them to load!

Re: Only thing I want to know: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47145561)

I'm not even sure you are trolling :)
for some apps it is exactly what you are after for development, qt for the rest :)

Re: Only thing I want to know: (1)

spark89 (3569393) | about 3 months ago | (#47145625)

will be TOP NOTCH

Yep, same thing they said about Bada OS.

Re: Only thing I want to know: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47145893)

...and WebOS...

Re: Only thing I want to know: (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47146467)

Where Bada went wrong is that they made a custom search with Google, creating Bada-Google. If they went with Microsoft, they would have had Bada-Bing

Re: Only thing I want to know: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47146915)

Hahahhahahaha this made my day! Congrats dude! :D

Re: Only thing I want to know: (1)

GTRacer (234395) | about 3 months ago | (#47147317)

If they had gone Microsoft, Bada-Bing would soon be followed by Big Bada-Boom ^^

Re: Only thing I want to know: (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about 3 months ago | (#47152359)

incidentally tizen is the bada replacement or rather this tizen is the bada successor. thus their 10-15% predictions etc shit.

meanwhile nokia is putting android out in this(sub 100 bucks unsubsidized segment, nokia x).

Re: Only thing I want to know: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47146603)

It's also got Native as well.

Re: Only thing I want to know: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47150597)

Will they port over the WebOS apps? I have dozens of those I would like to see running on Tizen.

Re:Only thing I want to know: (1)

by (1706743) (1706744) | about 3 months ago | (#47146949)

Humorous comment, but given that colloquially "Linux" = "GNU/Linux," seems a valid question. It seems that, at least early on, you could get xterm running on it: https://lists.tizen.org/piperm... [tizen.org] this of course doesn't say anything about the shell, underlying libraries, etc. ... but there might be hope.

Re:Only thing I want to know: (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47147799)

No. "Linux" = "Linux" but "GNU/Linux" = "RMS/Asshole"

Re: Only thing I want to know: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47147553)

RTFA, you fucking moron.

Only thing I want to know: (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47146283)

I just want a real open source phone OS (Android doesn't count because it's practically useless without the Google adware/spyware). One that's not anti-consumer, doesn't spy on you, try to get you to buy things from its app store, doesn't treat the users like morons (hello iOS!) etc. Basically like Linux is on the desktop. I'd gladly PAY a bit extra for this, 10 or 20 bucks (they can't make that much more off me from sell my data, and I don't buy from app stores anyway, so that's a good deal on their part).

adware-less Android (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47146941)

I just want a real open source phone OS (Android doesn't count because it's practically useless without the Google adware/spyware).

Can someone please tell me, just what are these mysterious Google applications that they think Android just can't be used without? And if you think you can supply these applications on another platform, are you really sure it can't be done for Android -- that Android is the one OS in the history of civilization that good apps simply can't ever be written for, or ported to?

The only Google application I've found that I just can't live without on Android, is Maps. And there actually are other competing maps applications; I just don't think they're nearly as nice as Google's.

Beyond that, I can't think of a single part of Android, where I would really miss Google's adware/spyware. I think a Google-free Android is pretty damn achievable, and all we need is a slicker map app than a lot of the OSM stuff I've seen.

What Google adware app are you thinking of, that you simply wouldn't be able to live without? Because I'm drawing a total blank.

Please, it can't be Chrome, can it? That's a decent web browser (I happen to use it), but there are others (e.g. Firefox) that are just as good.

Beyond that..

Basically like Linux is on the desktop.

Yes, I agree with you. Something like this would be vastly preferable to Android. I'm merely saying that doing Android without the adware isn't really all that far-fetched, and what you'd end up with, would be far from "practically useless." It simply wouldn't be in the same league of non-suckiness as desktop Linux. But, hey, all the popular mobile OSes are like that. You might not be happy, but at least you can share the same misery as the iOS/MacOS guys, and comradery is worth something.

Re: adware-less Android (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47147273)

Same AC here.

The Google Play Store, for one. Yeah I know there's F-Droid and others, and you can sideload, but for an average consumer who just wants his angry birds? That's unacceptable.

Also, maps as was mentioned, and the integrations with Google services (contacts and settings backed up, for example). And Google no longer wants to open source anything. Anything added since 4.0 has been closed, and they are replacing the open apps with closed ones (which means the open ones won't be maintained unless the community does it, and probably far behind on features)

pick a side (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47149505)

The Google Play Store, for one. Yeah I know there's F-Droid and others, and you can sideload, but for an average consumer who just wants his angry birds? .. integrations with Google services (contacts and settings backed up, for example)

I can understand why someone would want that stuff, but would the same person who is concerned about "Google adware/spyware" ever want that stuff? If you are ok with sending that data to Google (no wait, not just ok with it, but if you want to store that data at Google) then why the hell are you against Google spyware? If you want Google Play and a bunch of other dubious unauditable proprietary software, all of which is just as dangerous as Google apps except less scrutinized, then what's the problem with Google?

Strangely, you even mentioned Angry Birds [sfgate.com] , of all games. I feel like you're going out of your way to present a weird, inconsistent situation that describes no type of user's niche. That's like someone who smokes two packs a day saying he is scared to eat bananas because he read they give you cancer.

Pick a position! Are you passionate about security or apathetic? Seriously, I can't tell. I'm not even saying a side is wrong, but you're cherry picking as though you're you're an anarchist nazi, or a hippie capitalist, or drunk prohibitionist, or Victorian pornstar, or religious fundamentalist scientist. WTF?

Only thing I want to know: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47149237)

Have you considered a Jolla phone? I know it is not fully open but they are a decent bunch and when the WiFi UI didn't want to connect to a network, I opened a terminal and manually created a config and the WiFi UI picked that up and connected just fine. If you look around at what they do it mostly seems like "Q: Why is library X missing? A: Well, work it in upstream into Mer or Nemo and we will merge it"

Re:Only thing I want to know: (1)

TeknoHog (164938) | about 3 months ago | (#47150575)

I just want a real open source phone OS (Android doesn't count because it's practically useless without the Google adware/spyware). One that's not anti-consumer, doesn't spy on you, try to get you to buy things from its app store, doesn't treat the users like morons (hello iOS!) etc. Basically like Linux is on the desktop. I'd gladly PAY a bit extra for this, 10 or 20 bucks (they can't make that much more off me from sell my data, and I don't buy from app stores anyway, so that's a good deal on their part).

In other words, Nokia N900 for this decade. Unfortunately, the only real upgrade I'm seeing is the Neo900, but I'm not exactly holding my breath.

Replicant (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47145403)

We need a good Replicant based Linux distribution that lets users replace their spyware laden operator's distro with a privacy perserving os that does everything a linux box can.

http://www.replicant.us/

Re:Replicant (3, Insightful)

gmuslera (3436) | about 3 months ago | (#47145603)

Tizen or Android, the problem are usually the drivers, not so easy to replace. Anyway, Tizen ecosystem is more pure linux than Android, so odds there should be better.

Re:Replicant (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about 3 months ago | (#47145729)

How does that work? When you say the drivers are the problem, do you mean the drivers are insecure and allow for loss of privacy?

Re:Replicant (2)

rvw (755107) | about 3 months ago | (#47145747)

How does that work? When you say the drivers are the problem, do you mean the drivers are insecure and allow for loss of privacy?

He probably means the availability of drivers

Re:Replicant (1)

sadboyzz (1190877) | about 3 months ago | (#47146635)

He probably means the availability of drivers

Since the OP is talking about privacy concerns, more likely he means the possibility of replacing the manufacturer supplied binary drivers with free/opensource ones that can be audited. To that end one needs to reverse engineer the binary drivers, and he presumes this job would be easier on Tizen (standard Linux) than on Android.

Re:Replicant (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47147029)

In a manner of speaking, he's saying that, but it's not what he really means. He means that the drivers are only available as bundled/integrated_with a bunch of malware. They're neither in the mainline kernel nor seperately available as a modiule without a whole OS, where you can just use your computer however you want to. If you want the driver, then you have to use the vendor's entire shitty OS, which undoubtably contains lot of things that are intended to work directly against the interests of users. See Apple's mobiles, or any of the "big three" game console vendors, for classical well-understood (but hardly unique) examples.

The point being, a lot of non-Apple phones sort of have the same problem going on, that Apple phones do. It's not nearly as simple as "don't by Apple or Microsoft products and then you'll be free of all the bullshit;" it takes a lot more research than that. This is a difficult time for laymen to buy trustworthy phones.

Re:Replicant (1)

Microlith (54737) | about 3 months ago | (#47147535)

Things like graphics drivers, for example, are often only available for Android because they link against Android's libc. This tends to be true of any userspace blob on mobile devices.

This is why Jolla developed libhybris and why Canonical is using it. Samsung, at least, might be able to deliver glibc userspace binaries.

Re:Replicant (1)

marcello_dl (667940) | about 3 months ago | (#47148739)

> Things like graphics drivers, for example, are often only available for Android because they link against Android's libc
I guess legal, or maybe technical, obstacles don't allow bundling Android's libc and using it with LD_LIBRARY_PATH or equivalent tricks?

Re:Replicant (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | about 3 months ago | (#47145875)

If you can put Ubuntu on a tablet, can't you do the same with another Debian distro?

Replicant isn't the solution, though. There is too much profit to be made in the shovelware consumer space to release FOSS drivers and bare OS's for hardware, and not enough nerds (like me) who will pay for that option. Your best lookout for a privacy-enabled phone is Blackphone, but again that's a corporate entity. Profit is the driving force, which means no open-source implementation.

Samsing sucks (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47145433)

Buy an iPhone, the thing they are copying

Re:Samsing sucks (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47145441)

Uh, oh. Mod funny or troll? Or both? Decisions, decisions...

Re:Samsing sucks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47145647)

Bwhahahahahahaha..

Re:Samsing sucks (1)

wed128 (722152) | about 3 months ago | (#47149329)

If you'd use both, you'd see that they are really not as similar as you'd think at first glance.

This is getting interesting (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47145453)

If this thingy got Android emulation/virtualisation/whatever layer - may be its time for me to refresh my java script skills.

Idea of programming apps for my phone is really intriguing, especially if i can get access to hardware!

Nothing fancy so far.

Re: This is getting interesting (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47145487)

That idea is alive for at least past six years. I can program for (and also *on*) all of my mobile devices, with any programming language and with full access to hardware: Openmoko Neo Freerunner, OpenPhoenux GTA04 and Nokia N900 - and Neo900 will join them soon.

Re:This is getting interesting (1)

gbjbaanb (229885) | about 3 months ago | (#47145535)

you can do that already with Cordova - HTML-based apps running all locally (ie you code a website and run the whole thing on your phone, roughly). Or run it remote data but code the GUI as a single-page-app using Angular.js

Re:This is getting interesting (1)

wed128 (722152) | about 3 months ago | (#47149333)

Why not just write android apps? Why wait?

screw Linux, try the Hurd phone (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47145467)

The Hurd-based GNUphone looks like a brick, feels like a brick, and is a brick. Sure you can talk into it, and everyone can call you on it, but they only call you crazy.

Re:screw Linux, try the Hurd phone (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47145629)

Don't you mean GNU/Hurd?

Re:screw Linux, try the Hurd phone (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47145699)

GNU/Hurd brick/phone.

Re:screw Linux, try the Hurd phone (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47147893)

Don't you mean GNU/Turd?

Re:screw Linux, try the Hurd phone (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47147081)

Until you have to throw the thing then the others will admire you for your superior brick.

Re:screw Linux, try the Hurd phone (1)

just_another_sean (919159) | about 3 months ago | (#47147865)

Yeah, I just saw the announcement [aussiemuslims.com] for this!

I cooled off on Samsung... (1, Informative)

bogaboga (793279) | about 3 months ago | (#47145505)

I used to like Samsung and its Android phone products. In fact, I owned the galaxy series S, S2 and S3. I skipped the S4 and really didn't see the point of the S5. These phones in my opinion, were just overpriced! I am now looking at getting the One Plus One.

Re:I cooled off on Samsung... (4, Informative)

markus_baertschi (259069) | about 3 months ago | (#47145579)

I had a SGS2 and have a SGS4 now. They are fine phones. I want a replaceable battery and a SD card slot. This reduces the field for me a lot.

For my wife I bought a Moto G and I suspect I will replace my SGS4 with a phone in the same class, once it needs to be replaced. Phones are rapidly approaching the phase where most middle class phones are good enough. Two years ago a high-end device was necessary for a good experience, these days this is no longer true.

Life will become tougher for phone manufacturers.

Re:I cooled off on Samsung... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47145701)

I had a SGS2 and have a SGS4 now. They are fine phones. I want a replaceable battery and a SD card slot. This reduces the field for me a lot.

Have you look into the BlackBerry Z30?

Re:I cooled off on Samsung... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47152159)

Specifications of the Z30 says non-removable battery.

Re:I cooled off on Samsung... (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | about 3 months ago | (#47145693)

I still have my Nexus 4; I'd have upgraded to a OnePlus One if I hadn't just received a Nexus 7 recently. I make so few voice calls nowadays my Nexus 4 was more an internet device anyway. If I could get SMS on my Nexus 7 (for free) I'd dump my phone altogether.

Re:I cooled off on Samsung... (1)

Archangel Michael (180766) | about 3 months ago | (#47146945)

You can have SMS on any Android phone with Google Voice and/or Hangouts. There are also other service providers of similar if you look around when you don't like Google.

The issue is, can you get away from Phone part of the phone? Do you really want to lose the phone?

Re:I cooled off on Samsung... (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | about 3 months ago | (#47153937)

Voice / Hangouts is US only. If it was UK, I'd be all over it.

Re:I cooled off on Samsung... (1)

Jae686 (1203100) | about 3 months ago | (#47148695)

IF you COULD buy a OnePlus One....... (unless you have an invite ofcourse.......)

Re:I cooled off on Samsung... (1)

elwinc (663074) | about 3 months ago | (#47145709)

Yeah, that TouchWiz layer is pretty annoying.

Check out Motorola. The Moto X (4.7" diag) is very highly reviewed & I like mine far better than my earlier Samsung Galaxy Nexus. My mom must bought herself a Droid Maxx (5" diag) that's pretty good also. Being owned by Google, Moto keeps its UI pretty close to pure android.

Re:I cooled off on Samsung... (1)

Stormwatch (703920) | about 3 months ago | (#47145817)

Being owned by Google

Not anymore, Google sold Motorola to Lenovo not long ago.

Re:I cooled off on Samsung... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47146241)

Interesting. I didn't know that.

Hmmm.... Lenovorola....

Re:I cooled off on Samsung... (1)

zoid.com (311775) | about 3 months ago | (#47145887)

Take a look at the Moto X or the upcoming Moto X+1. I swapped over from the S3 and never looked back. It's a much better mobile experience.

A debian phone once more. (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47145513)

As someone who watched the 'community process' of the maemo/meego get ignored and decisions regarding the base OS/packaging system forces through by corporate/political types I'm glad to see at least one company producing a debian based phone.

Access to the OS for C application development outside a VM, EFL/enlightenment as the native application toolkit and access to a QT port.

HTML5 after that seems like an an necessary afterthought but at least your not running in a VM.

Re: A debian phone once more. (1)

binarylarry (1338699) | about 3 months ago | (#47145527)

wow you really seem knowledgeable

Its not Debian (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47145661)

Its rpm based.

Re:A debian phone once more. (1)

rasmusbr (2186518) | about 3 months ago | (#47145711)

...your not running in a VM.

Yeah, what could possibly go wrong?

Seriously... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47145521)

No Soviet Russia joke yet? What's wrong with Slashdot these days?

Re:Seriously... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47145537)

No Soviet Russia joke yet? What's wrong with Slashdot these days?

Think of a beowulf cluster of these!

Re:Seriously... (1)

Stormwatch (703920) | about 3 months ago | (#47145823)

In Korea, only old people still tell beowulf cluster jokes!

Re:Seriously... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47145569)

In Soviet Russia, Steve Jobs rises to give you a free iPhone.

Re:Seriously... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47145577)

In Soviet Slashdot, Russian kids are too young to remember Gorbachev.

Re:Seriously... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47145737)

In Soviet Russia, Beta fucks you!

Keyboard? (0)

Kludge (13653) | about 3 months ago | (#47145571)

Does it have a physical keyboard?

Re:Keyboard? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47145683)

Yes, one based on the IBM Model M

Everyone without fail. (4, Interesting)

serviscope_minor (664417) | about 3 months ago | (#47145575)

So far, every attempt at producing a smartphone leads the people involved to believe that they willl be DIFFERENT and they will be able to make a phone which doesn't suck without native apps. So fat everyone else has learned the lesson eventually. Android learned it. Apple learned it. Microsoft have learned it. And the Tizen people will need to learn it to have any chance of success.

Re:Everyone without fail. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47145741)

Turns out, a phone is great as... a phone.

Smartphone? The killer app in the beginning with the first iPhone was a contact list that didn't suck. Then GPS, camera, music player, some form of chat program, and modest web browser. The rest is just gimmicks that come and go.

Re:Everyone without fail. (1)

jbolden (176878) | about 3 months ago | (#47145783)

Tizen has a fairly nice application framework. It doesn't run Android applications. But that doesn't mean Tizen apps can't be written. And given that Tizen is designed much better for worse hardware they should be faster and more responsive. We'll see how good a job Samsung et. al. did but at least on paper Tizen could produce a far better experience on say a $100 phone in 2020.

Re:Everyone without fail. (1)

Threni (635302) | about 3 months ago | (#47145785)

Well, no, I think they expect developers will rush to develop apps for "such an obviously soon-to-be-successful platform".

Re:Everyone without fail. (1)

swillden (191260) | about 3 months ago | (#47146181)

Well, no, I think they expect developers will rush to develop apps for "such an obviously soon-to-be-successful platform".

Especially since this platform promises to be particularly appealing to cost-conscious people.

Re:Everyone without fail. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47146315)

Certainly, experience has taught us that there's no market for sub-dollar applications.

Re:Everyone without fail. (1)

swillden (191260) | about 3 months ago | (#47149889)

Certainly, experience has taught us that there's no market for sub-dollar applications.

You're missing the point.

It's well-known that iOS is often a more lucrative platform than Android, in spite of the fact that Android has far outstripped Apple in market share, because Apple targets the high end. This isn't because iOS apps are individually more expensive, it's because buyers of iOS devices are more willing to spend the 99 cents. So, what can developers for a platform that aims to eat into the low end of the Android market expect?

Samsung worked with Intel.. (1)

pauljosaph (3667911) | about 3 months ago | (#47145687)

Samsung worked with Intel to develop the Linux-based Tizen platform which is open-sourced Ã" meaning hardware manufacturers that adopt it can freely tinker with the interface.

The product design is some how similar to sony (1)

derrick11 (3667575) | about 3 months ago | (#47145797)

This smartphone has launched with differentiated design some how similar to sony'ish square shaped with curved sides.

i think innovative part has disrupted everything.. (1)

jamieeloran2110 (3667553) | about 3 months ago | (#47145879)

Intense competition in tech industry have made difficulties in innovative products and every single company even Chinese have made effort to try out in manufacturing new devices...what they are doing is coming up new device with little change like the series of advancement in APPL and Samsung with bigger screen and little added features in it..i think innovative part has disrupted everything in this battle to go first position.

More Samsung ? (3, Insightful)

David Griffin (3485497) | about 3 months ago | (#47145959)

One problem with the last Samsung android phone I had was all the Samsung crap on it. Surely their own OS will be even worse ? Or maybe they plan to create a rival ecosystem to the google one (maps, mail, calendar, drive, now, their own chromebooks). Hmmm

Re:More Samsung ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47146925)

They have already duplicated every Google App, except Maps (no data) and of course search. ArsTechnica [arstechnica.com]

Samsung is the only profitable Android phone maker. Business Insider [businessinsider.com]

If they find a way to get good mapping data, they can drop Google. The real money is in ads (google is an ad company, over 90% of revenue), and Samsung would love to keep it.

Re:More Samsung ? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47147289)

One problem with the last Samsung android phone I had was all the Samsung crap on it.

Bingo. I have been buying Samsung phones (and some other Samsung non-phone stuff) for over a decade now, because they really did make good products; enough so that they always came out on top whenever I happened to be shopping. (It's always a game of leapfrog, but my timings just happened to line up with Samsung's phases.) Yet I am pretty sure my Galaxy S4 is the last Samsung product that I ever buy. The S4's crapware shows, that they have been putting lots of expense and effort into pissing off customers, and finally succeeded in both learning how to suck, and going the extra mile to implement suckiness. I was simply wrong about the S4 at the time I bought it, and I am bitter about all the reviews that misled me. Not a single one of them mentioned how annoying this thing's software would be.

Some weekend when I can spare the time (dammit, when will that be?), this fucker is getting Cyanogenmod. And that's about the best I can do.

Re:More Samsung ? (1)

bananaquackmoo (1204116) | about 3 months ago | (#47150241)

Ditto

What we should rather ask (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47146057)

Major instability problems have been reported for UNIX. So we should rather ask: Is UNIX stable? [slashdot.org]

If somebody wants a flawless phone experience, they should back off from android or IPhone phones, but rather use a Windows phone.

Data Miner?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47146059)

Will it be a spy phone like android and iPhones?
Or will the device owner be in control?

Timing - Cheaper Jollas inbound (1)

GNious (953874) | about 3 months ago | (#47146255)

Cute timing - earlier today saw Jolla talk about pricecuts :)

Big mistake (1)

tom229 (1640685) | about 3 months ago | (#47146523)

Anyone who's used Samsung software knows it's a steaming pile of shit (touchwiz anyone). They need to stick to what their good at... Hardware.

Different Kind of Smartphone (1)

dontgetshocked (1073678) | about 3 months ago | (#47146721)

Resistance is futile, we are Microsoft, Oh wait, sorry, we are Samsung! I want to be ruled by foreign governments.

If the Tizen home screen is about 95% Android Apps (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47146907)

Does it really matter that it is a Tizen phone?
As an Android/iOS developer I would just keep developing Android specific apps and use the Application Compatibility Layer (basically just run the Dalvik/Clone VM on the Tizen device - assuming it wasn't like $5k to port over every android app).

But seriously, if it becomes cheap to port over Android apps through the ACL and their Tizen ecosystem gets swamped with a ridiculous amount of Android apps.... does it even matter that the underlying is Tizen anymore?

(Also I was a little annoyed that in Tizen you have to do Two Phase Object Construction, even the c++ is non-standard to some extent)

Samsung To Sell Tizen-Based Model Z (1)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about 3 months ago | (#47146963)

Unfortunately, it's going to cost over 9000$!!!

Tizen can run Android apps (1)

Jordan1519 (3667517) | about 3 months ago | (#47146967)

Tizen can run Android apps with third party software installed. They are not emulated and run natively I believe.

Re:Tizen can run Android apps (1)

wed128 (722152) | about 3 months ago | (#47149387)

Which is amazing, considering that android apps are mostly emulated when they're run *on android*

samsung can't do ux (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47149535)

If my other samsung devices are anything to go by, the ux will be hopelessly complicated and nothing like a user wants to use :P

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